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It was also hugely loved among amateur artists and animators, which led to the creation of most of the vast array of creative works I enjoyed as a kid. I don't

It was also hugely loved among amateur artists and animators, which led to the creation of most of the vast array of creative works I enjoyed as a kid. I don't think I've ever quite gotten over my resentment at the tech community for killing Flash in the name of "security".

vr46 7y ago
Long-time AS programmer here. It was on its way out either way. The runtime just wasn't up to scratch and accessibility implementation was often ignored. I made my last piece of Flash work in 2011, knowing this would be the last time I worked on AS. Flex was a bust, the frameworks were all over the place, and ultimately the developers of libraries and frameworks were moving on anyway to other interesting things like iOS development. Key people just lost interest too.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Like this? https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/ios-packaging-compiled-mode.html https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/ios-packaging-comp...
andai 7y ago
Steve Jobs killing it the name of ecosystem lockdown, you mean? He killed the greater part of my childhood along with it.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Only for the devs that didn't follow up on it. https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/ios-packaging-compiled-mode.html https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/ios-packaging-comp...
- checktheorder 7y ago
  As someone who dealt professionally with security issues from about 2000 onwards, many involving Flash 0-days, I have about as much fond remembrance of Flash as I do for polio or smallpox. I regard it as an infectious scourge that humanity has finally largely eradicated, and we're healthier for it.
  - josefx 7y ago
    As someone who used browsers in 2000 I have the same fond remembrance of JavaScript. Yet for some reason it still spreads like aids instead of following flash on its way out.
    - checktheorder 7y ago
      Apples to oranges. Javascript is an open-standard language, not a closed black box runtime like Flash.
      - pjmlp 7y ago
        Ah, so now it is ok to have possible exploits or pages that are just a big canvas, 'cause open standards. /s
bsaul 7y ago
I don’t remember security being the reason flash was killed, but rather mobile being the culprit. Flash on first gen smartphone was just impossible to run, it was slow, not meant for touch, basically a horrible user experience that also drained batteries. So, most ads skipped to JS or gif animation, and most game developers rushed to develop for the app stores (where money could supposedly be made much more easily than on the web).
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Plenty of those app store games use AOT native compiled Flash. https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/ios-packaging-compiled-mode.html https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/ios-packaging-comp...
ryacko 7y ago
Yes, but those same artists now use open source 3D animation, and probably contribute to various indie game projects. Flash didn’t go away entirely because of security, there was no innovation, and the most anyone could aspire to was making adventure games or flash stick figure games/movies back then. I personally miss the existence of thousands of Planetarion clones on the internet.
- pjmlp 7y ago
  Those artists are still using AOT compiled Air runtime, or have migrated to either Animate CC or Unity, although a minority might have given a shot to OpenFL/PlayCanvas. There is no miraculous contribution to open source 3D animation going on.
  - ryacko 7y ago
    There’s no census of independent art, and what is available to me is on the recommendation sidebar of various video sites, so I disagree, but acknowledge we live in different echo chambers.
- MrEldritch 7y ago
  >the most anyone could aspire to was making adventure games or flash stick figure games/movies back then. As a counterexample, I present: Homestar Runner. Also, Homestuck.

vr46 7y ago

Long-time AS programmer here. It was on its way out either way. The runtime just wasn't up to scratch and accessibility implementation was often ignored. I made my last piece of Flash work in 2011, knowing this would be the last time I worked on AS. Flex was a bust, the frameworks were all over the place, and ultimately the developers of libraries and frameworks were moving on anyway to other interesting things like iOS development. Key people just lost interest too.

pjmlp 7y ago
Like this? https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/ios-packaging-compiled-mode.html https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/ios-packaging-comp...

andai 7y ago

Steve Jobs killing it the name of ecosystem lockdown, you mean? He killed the greater part of my childhood along with it.

pjmlp 7y ago
Only for the devs that didn't follow up on it. https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/ios-packaging-compiled-mode.html https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/ios-packaging-comp...
checktheorder 7y ago
As someone who dealt professionally with security issues from about 2000 onwards, many involving Flash 0-days, I have about as much fond remembrance of Flash as I do for polio or smallpox. I regard it as an infectious scourge that humanity has finally largely eradicated, and we're healthier for it.
- josefx 7y ago
  As someone who used browsers in 2000 I have the same fond remembrance of JavaScript. Yet for some reason it still spreads like aids instead of following flash on its way out.
  - checktheorder 7y ago
    Apples to oranges. Javascript is an open-standard language, not a closed black box runtime like Flash.
    - pjmlp 7y ago
      Ah, so now it is ok to have possible exploits or pages that are just a big canvas, 'cause open standards. /s

bsaul 7y ago

I don’t remember security being the reason flash was killed, but rather mobile being the culprit. Flash on first gen smartphone was just impossible to run, it was slow, not meant for touch, basically a horrible user experience that also drained batteries. So, most ads skipped to JS or gif animation, and most game developers rushed to develop for the app stores (where money could supposedly be made much more easily than on the web).

pjmlp 7y ago
Plenty of those app store games use AOT native compiled Flash. https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/ios-packaging-compiled-mode.html https://www.adobe.com/devnet/air/articles/ios-packaging-comp...

ryacko 7y ago

Yes, but those same artists now use open source 3D animation, and probably contribute to various indie game projects. Flash didn’t go away entirely because of security, there was no innovation, and the most anyone could aspire to was making adventure games or flash stick figure games/movies back then. I personally miss the existence of thousands of Planetarion clones on the internet.

pjmlp 7y ago
Those artists are still using AOT compiled Air runtime, or have migrated to either Animate CC or Unity, although a minority might have given a shot to OpenFL/PlayCanvas. There is no miraculous contribution to open source 3D animation going on.
- ryacko 7y ago
  There’s no census of independent art, and what is available to me is on the recommendation sidebar of various video sites, so I disagree, but acknowledge we live in different echo chambers.
MrEldritch 7y ago
>the most anyone could aspire to was making adventure games or flash stick figure games/movies back then. As a counterexample, I present: Homestar Runner. Also, Homestuck.