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It’s never a zero sum game - we can try many things at once, some will work well, some will work poorly, some won’t work at all Trying things helps us move for

by craz8 7y ago

It’s never a zero sum game - we can try many things at once, some will work well, some will work poorly, some won’t work at all Trying things helps us move forward

__sy__ 7y ago
And some aren't even worth trying in the first place. Like this idea. edit: I'm all for trying crazy moonshots. Just not down right idiotic ones that are pushed by pseudo-science and clickbait activism [1]. [1]https://www.vox.com/2014/5/14/5717036/should-we-cover-all-our-roads-with-solar-panels https://www.vox.com/2014/5/14/5717036/should-we-cover-all-ou...
- ksec 7y ago
  Excuse my ignorance, isn't this a technical challenge, rather than the idea in itself was stupid? Isn't that saying shooting sky full of satellite for communication is stupid until SpaceX made loading anything to space 10x less expensive? I would say the idea isn't worth trying because it clearly wasn't ready, ( I mean if napkin maths already show it is off by a factor of 10 than it really is stupid trying it ) but I don't think the idea in itself is stupid at all.
  - BubRoss 7y ago
    What is the point of a solar road?
  - arcticbull 7y ago
    The thing about solar roads is they're covered by cars, and they don't work when covered, for obvious reasons. Then all the road dirt, grime, tire dust, oil, etc, builds up on top of them blocking the light for good. The road is about the worst thing you can possibly try and generate solar electricity from.
    - ksec 7y ago
      Thx. Valid Point.
quanto 7y ago
I understood the parent post's view as a zero-sum game among different proposals. There is a set, limited budget, and myriad ideas to choose from and test. Funding one idea means not being able to fund another. Thus, zero-sum. Therefore, we should fund most probable test ideas as should any scientific endeavor. The parent post claims that this particular idea was not probable to begin with (a poor idea on paper).
reitzensteinm 7y ago
It shouldn't be zero sum. We should try every feasible idea we can, and humanity has a blind spot for funding projects that aren't sexy and don't have the chance of outsized commercial returns, like cheap lenses for third world countries. Or insulation. But that's the ideal. In the real world, political and consumer attention for projects like this most certainly is zero sum. They quickly get fatiguing and you already feel like you've done your bit. In fact, it's probably even worse than zero sum in practice, because after being burned on junk like solar roads, you're far less likely to vouch or open your wallet for the next cool sounding tech that comes along.

by craz8 7y ago

It’s never a zero sum game - we can try many things at once, some will work well, some will work poorly, some won’t work at all Trying things helps us move forward

__sy__ 7y ago

And some aren't even worth trying in the first place. Like this idea. edit: I'm all for trying crazy moonshots. Just not down right idiotic ones that are pushed by pseudo-science and clickbait activism [1]. [1]https://www.vox.com/2014/5/14/5717036/should-we-cover-all-our-roads-with-solar-panels https://www.vox.com/2014/5/14/5717036/should-we-cover-all-ou...

ksec 7y ago
Excuse my ignorance, isn't this a technical challenge, rather than the idea in itself was stupid? Isn't that saying shooting sky full of satellite for communication is stupid until SpaceX made loading anything to space 10x less expensive? I would say the idea isn't worth trying because it clearly wasn't ready, ( I mean if napkin maths already show it is off by a factor of 10 than it really is stupid trying it ) but I don't think the idea in itself is stupid at all.
- BubRoss 7y ago
  What is the point of a solar road?
- arcticbull 7y ago
  The thing about solar roads is they're covered by cars, and they don't work when covered, for obvious reasons. Then all the road dirt, grime, tire dust, oil, etc, builds up on top of them blocking the light for good. The road is about the worst thing you can possibly try and generate solar electricity from.
  - ksec 7y ago
    Thx. Valid Point.

quanto 7y ago

I understood the parent post's view as a zero-sum game among different proposals. There is a set, limited budget, and myriad ideas to choose from and test. Funding one idea means not being able to fund another. Thus, zero-sum. Therefore, we should fund most probable test ideas as should any scientific endeavor. The parent post claims that this particular idea was not probable to begin with (a poor idea on paper).

reitzensteinm 7y ago

It shouldn't be zero sum. We should try every feasible idea we can, and humanity has a blind spot for funding projects that aren't sexy and don't have the chance of outsized commercial returns, like cheap lenses for third world countries. Or insulation. But that's the ideal. In the real world, political and consumer attention for projects like this most certainly is zero sum. They quickly get fatiguing and you already feel like you've done your bit. In fact, it's probably even worse than zero sum in practice, because after being burned on junk like solar roads, you're far less likely to vouch or open your wallet for the next cool sounding tech that comes along.