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Yours is the wrong citation. See my other post for the correct exemption. Boston is your big city, right? It had 56 people murdered in 2018. Here are their pi

Yours is the wrong citation. See my other post for the correct exemption. Boston is your big city, right? It had 56 people murdered in 2018. Here are their pictures. https://www.universalhub.com/2018/boston-murders-2018 https://www.universalhub.com/2018/boston-murders-2018 As near as I can tell from the available pictures, the victims are largely or entirely black. They make up 23% of the city, according to wikipedia, or 159,754 people. So that is about 35 black victims per 100,000 black residents. In 2018, Chicago is about 40 black victims per 100,000 black residents. This is comparable to black victim rates elsewhere. I don't think that your gun rates are helping so much as the fact that you are a mostly white state without many urban centers.

i_am_proteus 7y ago
Thank you for sharing this. Seeing the faces of the victims really hammers home the reality of murder in the United States: something that's much worse for black men (and the black community) than it is for everyone else.
asmithmd1 7y ago
I believe I have the correct citation, but IANAL. The article you linked is ALL murders in Boston - not just gun murders. And I am not sure what the race of murder victims has to do with gun death rates, the race of the gun using murderer is more important... I am not saying all young white Christian men are mass murderers, but they can't deny that young white Christian men have a mass murder problem, somehow they are being radicalized.
- romaaeterna 7y ago
  I'm afraid that I unaware of evidence that mass murders are a Christian problem whatsoever. Nor does it seem to be a political "radicalization" issue, as would be similar to what the UK saw during the Irish troubles, to take one of several possible examples. But I think that people might better describe it as serious mental health epidemic of as yet poorly understood origin. (Pick your poison: drugs, social media, social climate, etc.) Some people have put forward decent ideas on how we could restrict firearms from such individuals. (I personally think that everyone purchasing a firearm should have to find a longtime acquaintance to swear under penalty of perjury that this person is fit to own a firearm. Maybe others have better ideas.) Regardless, I hope that that situation can be improved somehow.
  - asmithmd1 7y ago
    Your idea is similar to MA gun license requirements - you need two non-relatives to sign your application before you submit it to your local police to decide if you meet the requirements to hold a gun license
- kbutler 7y ago
  > I am not sure what the race of murder victims has to do with gun death rates, the race of the gun using murderer is more important... The race of a murderer is strongly correlated with the race of the victim. "As with homicide in general, most victims are the same race as the offender(s)....More than 80 percent of all crime involves victims and perpetrators of the same race. Whites and African Americans of course can and do attack each other, but they are the exception, not the rule. " > young white Christian men have a mass murder problem, somehow they are being radicalized. There is definitely a mass murder problem, but it isn't particularly biased toward young (mean age 31) or white (54% of shooters out of 60+% population share). It is overwhelmingly male (especially for perpetrators - 98% of mass murder perpetrators, but also for victims - 75% of murder victims). Not sure where you're getting the idea that Christians in particular are committing the shootings - there doesn't seem to be a lot of data or discussion of the religion of the perpetrators. "Despite the widespread perception that mass shooters are overwhelmingly white males, researchers have found that white men are not overrepresented among mass shooters. In other words, white men are no more likely than other male demographic to engage in a mass shooting. Daniel Engber, writing for Slate, noted that mass shooters are not disproportionately white male. He writes that “the notion that white men of privilege are disproportionately represented among mass shooters—indeed, that they make up ‘nearly all’ of them—is a myth.” A widely referenced analysis by Mother Jones (mentioned earlier) found that “white people weren’t overrepresented among mass shooters. " Statistics change if you include other types of mass shootings (family more white, felony more black) which are much more common than the "public mass shootings". https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/who-are-mass-shooters-mass-shooter-demographics-part-2/ https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/who-are-mass-shooters-mass...
  - masonic 7y ago
    For one example, the recent mass shooter of Philadelphia police was an African-American Muslim.
  - asmithmd1 7y ago
    The article you cite references a study that looked at mass shootings from 2006-2016, I am sure Las Vegas shootings and other more recent ones would changes the statistis. It also breaks down shootings into a category called "public" - which is the one most people are interested in. Non-black perpetrators committed 70% of these public shootings

i_am_proteus 7y ago

Thank you for sharing this. Seeing the faces of the victims really hammers home the reality of murder in the United States: something that's much worse for black men (and the black community) than it is for everyone else.

asmithmd1 7y ago

I believe I have the correct citation, but IANAL. The article you linked is ALL murders in Boston - not just gun murders. And I am not sure what the race of murder victims has to do with gun death rates, the race of the gun using murderer is more important... I am not saying all young white Christian men are mass murderers, but they can't deny that young white Christian men have a mass murder problem, somehow they are being radicalized.

romaaeterna 7y ago
I'm afraid that I unaware of evidence that mass murders are a Christian problem whatsoever. Nor does it seem to be a political "radicalization" issue, as would be similar to what the UK saw during the Irish troubles, to take one of several possible examples. But I think that people might better describe it as serious mental health epidemic of as yet poorly understood origin. (Pick your poison: drugs, social media, social climate, etc.) Some people have put forward decent ideas on how we could restrict firearms from such individuals. (I personally think that everyone purchasing a firearm should have to find a longtime acquaintance to swear under penalty of perjury that this person is fit to own a firearm. Maybe others have better ideas.) Regardless, I hope that that situation can be improved somehow.
- asmithmd1 7y ago
  Your idea is similar to MA gun license requirements - you need two non-relatives to sign your application before you submit it to your local police to decide if you meet the requirements to hold a gun license
kbutler 7y ago
> I am not sure what the race of murder victims has to do with gun death rates, the race of the gun using murderer is more important... The race of a murderer is strongly correlated with the race of the victim. "As with homicide in general, most victims are the same race as the offender(s)....More than 80 percent of all crime involves victims and perpetrators of the same race. Whites and African Americans of course can and do attack each other, but they are the exception, not the rule. " > young white Christian men have a mass murder problem, somehow they are being radicalized. There is definitely a mass murder problem, but it isn't particularly biased toward young (mean age 31) or white (54% of shooters out of 60+% population share). It is overwhelmingly male (especially for perpetrators - 98% of mass murder perpetrators, but also for victims - 75% of murder victims). Not sure where you're getting the idea that Christians in particular are committing the shootings - there doesn't seem to be a lot of data or discussion of the religion of the perpetrators. "Despite the widespread perception that mass shooters are overwhelmingly white males, researchers have found that white men are not overrepresented among mass shooters. In other words, white men are no more likely than other male demographic to engage in a mass shooting. Daniel Engber, writing for Slate, noted that mass shooters are not disproportionately white male. He writes that “the notion that white men of privilege are disproportionately represented among mass shooters—indeed, that they make up ‘nearly all’ of them—is a myth.” A widely referenced analysis by Mother Jones (mentioned earlier) found that “white people weren’t overrepresented among mass shooters. " Statistics change if you include other types of mass shootings (family more white, felony more black) which are much more common than the "public mass shootings". https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/who-are-mass-shooters-mass-shooter-demographics-part-2/ https://centerforinquiry.org/blog/who-are-mass-shooters-mass...
- masonic 7y ago
  For one example, the recent mass shooter of Philadelphia police was an African-American Muslim.
- asmithmd1 7y ago
  The article you cite references a study that looked at mass shootings from 2006-2016, I am sure Las Vegas shootings and other more recent ones would changes the statistis. It also breaks down shootings into a category called "public" - which is the one most people are interested in. Non-black perpetrators committed 70% of these public shootings