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Your message is full of allegations without citations and is one of the most intellectually dishonest comments I've seen in the subject. Lights do not stop cri

Your message is full of allegations without citations and is one of the most intellectually dishonest comments I've seen in the subject. Lights do not stop crime in the way you're saying. I've been robbed twice in well lit locations. And a tiny percentage of those billboards were lit. This whole point sounds like reaching at straws without any logic behind it. Avenida Paulista never looked like Times Square. Thankfully, because Times Square is a halogen light hellscape only tourists can stand and for little amounts of time at that. Paulista looks great, and dare I say better than it could have ever looked had it had huge billboards blocking the little sky one can see. This was NOT a politician decision on a whim. Come on. That makes me doubt you've ever lived in São Paulo. This debate was raging for years and only came to fruition after the inability of regulation to have any effect on rampant illegal advertising covering more and more of the sky.

iamthirsty 7y ago
> Your message is full of allegations without citations and is one of the most intellectually dishonest comments I've seen in the subject. > I've been robbed twice in well lit locations. And a tiny percentage of those billboards were lit. This whole point sounds like reaching at straws without any logic behind it. The irony of this comment is something I hope the author themselves recognizes.
f00zz 7y ago
> This debate was raging for years This is the problem I have with this law and others like it: that outdoor advertising is seen as an important issue worthy of debate, in a country where half of the population doesn't have access to flush toilets. Brazilian political and bureaucratic elites (of every ideological disposition) seem to think that this is Norway. Hong Kong is famous for its high density of neon business signs. Incidentally, Hong Kong used to be poorer than Brazil not too long ago, and now boasts one of the highest per capita GDPs in the world. I'm not saying that outdoor advertising brings economic prosperity, just that they seem to have picked the right priorities.
PauloManrique 7y ago
"Lights do not stop crime" I'll pretend I didn't read this, because you're simply against EVERY SINGLE study about this. "This was NOT a politician decision on a whim." Oh, let's forgot the rage Jose Serra had with that underwear outdoor and proposing the law approved during Kassab's administration. "This debate was raging for years and only came to fruition after the inability of regulation to have any effect on rampant illegal advertising covering more and more of the sky." No, there was a debate about OUTDOORS, not about the size of a store logo or shit like that. And that was SO SERIOUS, that BANKS and GAS STATIONS never had to reduce their ads. So, the little grocery store with a neon is a problem, a huge gas station with the Shell branding is not? All the huge banks agencies with their big logos and colors are not a problem, the little pharmacy is?

iamthirsty 7y ago

> Your message is full of allegations without citations and is one of the most intellectually dishonest comments I've seen in the subject. > I've been robbed twice in well lit locations. And a tiny percentage of those billboards were lit. This whole point sounds like reaching at straws without any logic behind it. The irony of this comment is something I hope the author themselves recognizes.

f00zz 7y ago

> This debate was raging for years This is the problem I have with this law and others like it: that outdoor advertising is seen as an important issue worthy of debate, in a country where half of the population doesn't have access to flush toilets. Brazilian political and bureaucratic elites (of every ideological disposition) seem to think that this is Norway. Hong Kong is famous for its high density of neon business signs. Incidentally, Hong Kong used to be poorer than Brazil not too long ago, and now boasts one of the highest per capita GDPs in the world. I'm not saying that outdoor advertising brings economic prosperity, just that they seem to have picked the right priorities.

PauloManrique 7y ago

"Lights do not stop crime" I'll pretend I didn't read this, because you're simply against EVERY SINGLE study about this. "This was NOT a politician decision on a whim." Oh, let's forgot the rage Jose Serra had with that underwear outdoor and proposing the law approved during Kassab's administration. "This debate was raging for years and only came to fruition after the inability of regulation to have any effect on rampant illegal advertising covering more and more of the sky." No, there was a debate about OUTDOORS, not about the size of a store logo or shit like that. And that was SO SERIOUS, that BANKS and GAS STATIONS never had to reduce their ads. So, the little grocery store with a neon is a problem, a huge gas station with the Shell branding is not? All the huge banks agencies with their big logos and colors are not a problem, the little pharmacy is?