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> Not all parts of the world have yet had that kind of progress, and are still happily multiplying in an unsustainable way. Unless we manage to export this kind

> Not all parts of the world have yet had that kind of progress, and are still happily multiplying in an unsustainable way. Unless we manage to export this kind of progress, I fear we will not be able to avoid all overpopulation issues. This is simply not true. Not even close. I recommend watching: https://www.gapminder.org/videos/will-saving-poor-children-lead-to-overpopulation/ https://www.gapminder.org/videos/will-saving-poor-children-l... or, if you can spend more time, https://www.gapminder.org/videos/dont-panic-the-facts-about-population/ https://www.gapminder.org/videos/dont-panic-the-facts-about-... or any of Hans Rosling's TED talks. And you'll find that your statement I quoted above is simply wrong.

_0ffh 7y ago
I've watched Rosling stuff before. What part of the linked videos do you think are evidence against? I maintain there are a number of countries that still have unsustainable population growth. I wouldn't want to pick any one out. But be my guest and have a look-see at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_increase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_i...
- drivebycomment 7y ago
  The population growth is basically a transitional state between high infant mortality / high birthrate to low infant mortality / low birthrate. There's no society in existence that had sustained "high birthrate / low infant mortality". Play the following graph from 1800 to today: https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$state$marker$axis_x$which=child_mortality_0_5_year_olds_dying_per_1000_born&domainMin:null&domainMax:null&zoomedMin:null&zoomedMax:null&scaleType=genericLog&spaceRef:null;&axis_y$which=children_per_woman_total_fertility&domainMin:null&domainMax:null&zoomedMin:null&zoomedMax:null&spaceRef:null;;;&chart-type=bubbles https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$state$marker$axis_x$which=... It's very clear where we're headed and we're actually closer to the stable point, given China and India are already near the birthrate of 2. > ... are still happily multiplying in an unsustainable way. See the graph above. This is already not true. > Unless we manage to export this kind of progress This has already happened mostly. Africa is the laggard currently but is already rapidly catching up, and it's crystal clear that we'll get there. I recommend taking the gapminder.org test. I think you'll be surprised how wrong you are.

_0ffh 7y ago

I've watched Rosling stuff before. What part of the linked videos do you think are evidence against? I maintain there are a number of countries that still have unsustainable population growth. I wouldn't want to pick any one out. But be my guest and have a look-see at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_increase https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_natural_i...

drivebycomment 7y ago
The population growth is basically a transitional state between high infant mortality / high birthrate to low infant mortality / low birthrate. There's no society in existence that had sustained "high birthrate / low infant mortality". Play the following graph from 1800 to today: https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$state$marker$axis_x$which=child_mortality_0_5_year_olds_dying_per_1000_born&domainMin:null&domainMax:null&zoomedMin:null&zoomedMax:null&scaleType=genericLog&spaceRef:null;&axis_y$which=children_per_woman_total_fertility&domainMin:null&domainMax:null&zoomedMin:null&zoomedMax:null&spaceRef:null;;;&chart-type=bubbles https://www.gapminder.org/tools/#$state$marker$axis_x$which=... It's very clear where we're headed and we're actually closer to the stable point, given China and India are already near the birthrate of 2. > ... are still happily multiplying in an unsustainable way. See the graph above. This is already not true. > Unless we manage to export this kind of progress This has already happened mostly. Africa is the laggard currently but is already rapidly catching up, and it's crystal clear that we'll get there. I recommend taking the gapminder.org test. I think you'll be surprised how wrong you are.