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This will never pass. This is not simply me being pessimistic. US current government doesn't believe in climate change, and doing everything in its power to rol

by pavs 7y ago

This will never pass. This is not simply me being pessimistic. US current government doesn't believe in climate change, and doing everything in its power to roll back whatever progress was made in the last decade or so. The current senate majority is a puppet of the government and will not pass anything Trump doesnt want. And even in the extreme unlikely scenario of it getting passed. It will get vetoed. Since getting downvoted, maybe people don't know Trump's relationship with climate change: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-environment-rollbacks.html https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/climate/trump-envir... https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/02/15-ways-trump-administration-impacted-environment/ https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/2019/02/15-wa... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_policy_of_the_Donald_Trump_administration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Environmental_policy_of_the_Do...

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yesenadam 7y ago
Wow, I just briefly looked over that linked wikipedia page, about a wide range of environmental stuff, not 'just' global warming. Absolutely horrifying and unbelievable! (For personal reasons I've been largely out of the news loop this decade, am not in USA.) How is it that all that has been allowed to happen? People in the USA (a majority, or close to it) wanted all those changes?! Edit: I am getting downvoted for saying that...and really don't know why. If downvoters could explain, I'll be much obliged. Thanks.
- pavs 7y ago
  Most people have the view that the USA is a democracy. The USA is not and has not been a democracy for a long time. Majority votes do not elect a president, electoral votes do. So you can, in theory, have millions of fewer votes and still get elected. As is the case with the current president and some past presidents. The idea of 3 branches of government, supposed to put checks and balances on the democratic system is also a ruse. The President has the executive power to do almost whatever he wants. Never in the history of USA, any president has ever been criminally prosecuted, despite a long laundry list of atrocities conducted, nationally and internationally - since its existence. Congress will often blindly side with their party's elected President to pass or block any legislation, Even if overwhelmingly majority of the people of the country wants legislation it will either not get passed - or get heavily diluted by lobbying. The revolving door between private industry and government is a huge deal and perfectly legal which results in absurd things like Oil industry executives being in charge of the Environment Protection Agency (EPA). The Judiciary Branch is also heavily politicized and partisan. Which is truer now than at any time in its history and will often side alone party line and there is nothing anyone can do about it. This is, of course, an overly simplified version of reality. But don't call USA Democracy, its anything but. IMO Corporatocracy is the closes type of US political system. This has been the case for a very very long time. Some links: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/413142-the-united-states-is-not-a-democracy-and-it-wasnt-meant-to-be-one https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/413142-the-united-state... https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/06/united-states-isnt-democracy-and-was-never-intended-be/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/06/united-sta... https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/america-is-not-a-democracy/550931/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/america... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mitchell-democracy-commentary/commentary-is-the-u-s-still-a-real-democracy-idUSKCN1N41YN https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mitchell-democracy-commen... https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-11/is-u-s-republic-or-democracy-why-some-conservatives-pick-a-side https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-11/is-u-s...
  - codewritinfool 7y ago
    Elected by Electoral votes rather than majority votes: Trump, G.W. Bush, B. Harrison, R.B. Hayes, and J.Q. Adams. Adams was elected by the House after an electoral tie.
    - pavs 7y ago
      I didn't say it happens all the time. I wrote: > As is the case with the current president and some past presidents.
amval 7y ago
I am not sure why the downvotes. Your comment seems to simply state facts.

by pavs 7y ago

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yesenadam 7y ago

Wow, I just briefly looked over that linked wikipedia page, about a wide range of environmental stuff, not 'just' global warming. Absolutely horrifying and unbelievable! (For personal reasons I've been largely out of the news loop this decade, am not in USA.) How is it that all that has been allowed to happen? People in the USA (a majority, or close to it) wanted all those changes?! Edit: I am getting downvoted for saying that...and really don't know why. If downvoters could explain, I'll be much obliged. Thanks.

pavs 7y ago
Most people have the view that the USA is a democracy. The USA is not and has not been a democracy for a long time. Majority votes do not elect a president, electoral votes do. So you can, in theory, have millions of fewer votes and still get elected. As is the case with the current president and some past presidents. The idea of 3 branches of government, supposed to put checks and balances on the democratic system is also a ruse. The President has the executive power to do almost whatever he wants. Never in the history of USA, any president has ever been criminally prosecuted, despite a long laundry list of atrocities conducted, nationally and internationally - since its existence. Congress will often blindly side with their party's elected President to pass or block any legislation, Even if overwhelmingly majority of the people of the country wants legislation it will either not get passed - or get heavily diluted by lobbying. The revolving door between private industry and government is a huge deal and perfectly legal which results in absurd things like Oil industry executives being in charge of the Environment Protection Agency (EPA). The Judiciary Branch is also heavily politicized and partisan. Which is truer now than at any time in its history and will often side alone party line and there is nothing anyone can do about it. This is, of course, an overly simplified version of reality. But don't call USA Democracy, its anything but. IMO Corporatocracy is the closes type of US political system. This has been the case for a very very long time. Some links: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatocracy https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/413142-the-united-states-is-not-a-democracy-and-it-wasnt-meant-to-be-one https://thehill.com/opinion/campaign/413142-the-united-state... https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/06/united-states-isnt-democracy-and-was-never-intended-be/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/outlook/2018/11/06/united-sta... https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/america-is-not-a-democracy/550931/ https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2018/03/america... https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mitchell-democracy-commentary/commentary-is-the-u-s-still-a-real-democracy-idUSKCN1N41YN https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mitchell-democracy-commen... https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-11/is-u-s-republic-or-democracy-why-some-conservatives-pick-a-side https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2019-04-11/is-u-s...
- codewritinfool 7y ago
  Elected by Electoral votes rather than majority votes: Trump, G.W. Bush, B. Harrison, R.B. Hayes, and J.Q. Adams. Adams was elected by the House after an electoral tie.
  - pavs 7y ago
    I didn't say it happens all the time. I wrote: > As is the case with the current president and some past presidents.

amval 7y ago

I am not sure why the downvotes. Your comment seems to simply state facts.