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Odd. But NOAA's own data also confirms this July was the 65th coldest on record? [1] Hard to make sense of what's coming out of NOAA these days... [1] https:/

Odd. But NOAA's own data also confirms this July was the 65th coldest on record? [1] Hard to make sense of what's coming out of NOAA these days... [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMldKLR0Vwc https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uMldKLR0Vwc

zmmmmm 7y ago
Hmm, who shall I believe the official publication from NOAA [1] that states in the title July was the hottest month? Or a reintrepretation of their data posted on YouTube by a notorious and discredited climate denier [2]. [1] https://www.noaa.gov/news/july-2019-was-hottest-month-on-record-for-planet https://www.noaa.gov/news/july-2019-was-hottest-month-on-rec... [2] https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/ https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/
- briantakita 7y ago
  > [2] https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/ https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/ So website that is an vitriol-ridden ad hominem attack discredits his usage of source news articles, data analysis, graphs, & logic? None of his arguments are addressed...
  - lozenge 7y ago
    The first half of the video is about the US, which is completely irrelevant. After that, he points out cold areas in a map, but does no calculations. The announcement was about a global average. Then, he clips off the ocean in the land-ocean dataset, comparing it to the land dataset. They are different datasets with different methodologies which he doesn't understand or go in to. Any difference must be intentional. Then, he goes to lower troposphere temperatures, but again this varies from the surface temperature for well known reasons. In conclusion, he didn't make any actual "arguments" at all.
  - zmmmmm 7y ago
    > None of his arguments are addressed... It is so much easier to make up lies than it is to disprove them that at some point, yes, you do have to rely on people's reputation before you start investing huge effort into disproving their statements. So yes, if you can easily show someone is a crackpot, liar or heavily motivated by a bias that is likely to make them unreliable, prove that and move on.

zmmmmm 7y ago

Hmm, who shall I believe the official publication from NOAA [1] that states in the title July was the hottest month? Or a reintrepretation of their data posted on YouTube by a notorious and discredited climate denier [2]. [1] https://www.noaa.gov/news/july-2019-was-hottest-month-on-record-for-planet https://www.noaa.gov/news/july-2019-was-hottest-month-on-rec... [2] https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/ https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/

briantakita 7y ago
> [2] https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/ https://tonyhellerakastevengoddard.com/who-is-tony-heller/ So website that is an vitriol-ridden ad hominem attack discredits his usage of source news articles, data analysis, graphs, & logic? None of his arguments are addressed...
- lozenge 7y ago
  The first half of the video is about the US, which is completely irrelevant. After that, he points out cold areas in a map, but does no calculations. The announcement was about a global average. Then, he clips off the ocean in the land-ocean dataset, comparing it to the land dataset. They are different datasets with different methodologies which he doesn't understand or go in to. Any difference must be intentional. Then, he goes to lower troposphere temperatures, but again this varies from the surface temperature for well known reasons. In conclusion, he didn't make any actual "arguments" at all.
- zmmmmm 7y ago
  > None of his arguments are addressed... It is so much easier to make up lies than it is to disprove them that at some point, yes, you do have to rely on people's reputation before you start investing huge effort into disproving their statements. So yes, if you can easily show someone is a crackpot, liar or heavily motivated by a bias that is likely to make them unreliable, prove that and move on.