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Responding with boilerplate at first because your comments are predictably wrong. > - There are many legitimate improvements that have come into being between
by Endy 7y ago
Responding with boilerplate at first because your comments are predictably wrong.
> - There are many legitimate improvements that have come into being between firefox 38 which is what Palemoon basically is and 70 which you would lose.
> - It's highly unlikely that a fork of firefox 38 by a few acceptably skilled developers has the chops to keep up with what mozilla can do with millions of dollars.
> - Your browser is the most dangerous app in your system running an old version means that anyone with access to the list of patched vulnerabilities for current firefox may well be able to trivially turn these into exploit vectors for old versions.
* https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21626 https://forum.palemoon.org/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=21626
"Rumor: "Pale Moon is just a rebranded rebuild of an old Firefox version"
Rumor: "Pale Moon is an obsolete and insecure version of Firefox"
FALSE
Pale Moon has been on a divergent path with its own code for a long time already. It was a rebuild in 2009, yes. It was a rebuild with minor changes in the Firefox 4.0 era, yes. But we've come a very, very long way since then with an increasing amount of different code being carried over each time it was re-based on later Firefox code. It's a true fork now, building on a completely independent fork of Mozilla code called the Unified XUL Platform (UXP) and has employed rapid development (as opposed to rapid release) to solidify this independent direction with its own focus and attempt at keeping the browser sane, lean, and offering users choice and stability - not corporate strong-arming or gadgeteering.
At the same time, Pale Moon's strong focus on security/privacy and evolving networking standards has added features and kept pace with those developments in other browsers, by e.g. adding TLS 1.3 support the moment it was standardized, by keeping a close eye on encryption and the browser's security by continuing to port or re-implement security fixes that apply to Pale Moon as a browser and the underlying platform. It is neither old nor outdated, it is not a "rebuild" and it does not use obsolete technologies and does not have known security holes or vulnerabilities."
* "Rumor: "Pale Moon is a one-man show and does not have the manpower to keep up with Firefox/the modern web"
FALSE
Pale Moon is not "just me" and hasn't been for the majority of its life. There are some talented and dedicated people at work in our community to make Pale Moon what it is, and actually has seen support in many ways by many people over the years. Despite e.g. the WikiPedia article for Pale Moon just talking about "Straver this" and "Straver that", the fact that I am the one leading this project and holding the keys and making the overall major decisions about direction doesn't mean that no others are involved. That would be the same as saying that Bill Gates single-handedly wrote the Windows O.S. or that the Mozilla CEO is the only one working on Firefox. To name a few other people currently actively helping with the project's core development: Matt A. Tobin, Travis W. ("trava90"), "JustOff", "Ascrod", "kn-yami". Don't forget our beta testing team, or the people reporting issues while using the unstable channel builds, either. Or the people helping with extensions and extension compatibility or theme porting (thanks FranklinDM and Ryan C.!). Or even the community as a whole providing support to users. Also hats off to all the people doing translations for our language packs. I can go on. One man? I think not. Of course since it's crowdsourced, it's easy to forget the numerous people in the background who play their part, but please don't forget them."
On the other hand, the Pentadactyl discussion is valid.
- michaelmrose 7y agoCan you point out the end results of the rapid developmentby the Palemoon team. Specifically what if anything it offers over firefox 38?
- Endy 7y agoWell, aside from compatibility with certain web proposals and specs, a complete lack of tolerance for WebDRM/EME, and a couple basic things like that, I couldn't really tell you; because 99% of my web browsing could be in Lynx for all the garbage I don't download (ECMAScript, many images, ads, etc). Most of the development they do is for users with different use-cases than mine who want to do more things in their browser that aren't text and hypertext links. The biggest upside, to me, is that what it offers customizability in the UI, that the settings actually feel like they mean something (when I turn something off, it stays turned off) and that addons/tools like Eclipsed Moon and Pale Moon Commander are made to actually protect my privacy. Oh, and there's the other big thing, that it's not taking money from Google or making money for Google. So, y'know, offering a Web Minus Alphabet is a good thing. Oh. And it still runs in a single process on my 32-bit computer, so it doesn't seize up, cause my HDD to grind, and force a reboot every time it launches. Chrome, Electron-based programs, and e10s-Firefox all do that, and I've had some pretty spectacular crashes that required using a system restore when something I installed also tried to sideload Chrome with it. Thankfully I identified the culprit, went to a restore before the install, sent a nasty email to the people who wrote it, and went on with my life.
- michaelmrose 7y ago32 bit only cpus mostly died out in 2006 and even most and later all crappy intel atom cpus were 64 bit by about a decade ago. Unless you are running a computer museum I'm not sure what the point of this. New Firefox is actually faster than old firefox on hardware that people actually use. If you want to really blow your mind either buy a $50 SSD or stop your antivirus "real time shields" from slowing down all filesystem access. If you are force rebooting when you start it my best guess is that your intel atom with 2GB of ram is starving and thrashing. The more them able ui is an artifact of sticking with older tech not specific work by Palemoon devs. We are left with a front end for select settings in about:config and even less interesting extensions. Underwhelming.