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You're also dealing with a hostile state government in the bible belt, and surrounded by far red areas. I'm leaving Missouri and wouldn't consider Georgia for t

You're also dealing with a hostile state government in the bible belt, and surrounded by far red areas. I'm leaving Missouri and wouldn't consider Georgia for that reason, although I have always enjoyed Atlanta.

big_chungus 7y ago
So you can't stand to live in a place where many people don't think the way you think, yet you'd probably appreciate a more "diverse" city? You appreciate places like San Francisco because while others may look different, they think the same. That's fine, people are more comfortable around those who agree with them; but quit kidding yourself.
- phil248 7y ago
  The comment you are replying to explicitly mentioned a "hostile state government", none of the ax-grindy stuff you're bringing up.
- jdavis703 7y ago
  That's an uncharitable interpretation of the OP. It's not that people think different, it's that people are actively discriminated in Atlanta (well it's less an Atlanta problem and more a Georgia problem). For context I write this as an African American living in the Bay Area with family that's based in Atlanta. For example as a Black person I know my vote won't count for much in Georgia, and that the state is actively working to disenfranchise it [0]. I also know that I won't have the ability to plan my family [1]. I know I might get weird looks if I'm in a non-heteronormative relationship [2]. So the problem most people have with "red" states isn't that people love God, love cops and love pickup trucks, it's that these areas actively working to restrict our "blue" freedoms. 0: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/14/stacey-abrams-voter-suppression-campaign-states https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/14/stacey-abram... 1: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/us/heartbeat-bill-georgia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/us/heartbeat-bill-georgia... 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/20/us/tennessee-internet-ministers-gay-marriages.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/20/us/tennessee-internet-min... (Note, this is about Tennessee, but similar attitudes pervade the South)
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  - irq11 7y ago
    You think your vote counts in the bay area? Say what you will about voter suppression in Atlanta, but a vote counted there is worth a lot more than a vote counted in California. Flip Georgia blue, and you’re making real change.
    - jdavis703 7y ago
      It counts for a lot in the CA statehouse vs what it would be in GA. That said at the federal level, my vote is largely meaningless. But for the majority of my voting life I've had a bifurcated federal government that gets nothing done. So from my vantage the state is where real policy is coming from anyways.
  - refurb 7y ago
    SF tore down a major black community within the city (Filmore) and its policies have resulted in an exodus of blacks except for some impoverished communities.
- munificent 7y ago
  This is a disengenuous argument. Even people who genuinely like diversity are not obligated to want to live near all possible kinds of people. I like diversity, but I don't want to live next to neo-Nazis, anti-vaxxers, serial killers, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
  - refurb 7y ago
    So you’re lumping in Republicans with “Nazi’s, anti-vaxxers and serial killers”?
    - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
      No, but they are related. Instead of nazi say with white power christians, and anti-vaxxers seems to have started out as much more liberal dems but now it's connected up with conservative religious rights. Serial killers might be a reference to mass shootings by conservative men posting republican talking points before their mass shootings. Of course not all republicans are like these things. But a significant number of republicans support those views, especially the belief in white power politics.
      - shijie 7y ago
        Wow do you believe everything you read on Reddit?
        NotSammyHagar 7y ago
        I don't think all republicans are like that, but the people that do are increasingly finding a place in that party, and that's terrible of course. You have people like this Washington state Senator who literally is saying exactly these things. https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/aug/14/rep-matt-shea-endorsed-training-child-soldiers-for/ https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/aug/14/rep-matt-shea-...
      - whenchamenia 7y ago
echelon 7y ago
Which is exactly why liberal voters should move to Georgia. Georgia is purple, and it's close to going blue. It makes much more sense than concentrating these votes in California, which is as blue as it gets. California votes are "useless", whereas Georgia votes "matter". (I don't mean to offend by this, but the swing states have an outsized impact.) I voted out Karen Handel last election -- in a very close race -- which felt truly amazing.
- lotsofpulp 7y ago
  State laws matter more for quality of life, and I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for the backward states to catch up to CA (and other progressive states).
  - refurb 7y ago
    If by catch up to progressive states you mean higher taxes, bigger government, more NIMBYism, bans on vaping, etc. I hope that doesn’t happen.
  - echelon 7y ago
    What liberties do you enjoy that we don't? The only egregious thing I can point to in Georgia is the heartbeat abortion bill, which if you aren't paying attention is merely a ploy to get it in front of the Supreme Court so they can make it national. We were so close to defeating Governor Kemp and making this not happen. Now it's a risk to you and the entire nation.
    - lotsofpulp 7y ago
      Assisted suicide, pro choice and pro proper sex education discussing contraceptives, sick leave, parental leave (and family leave), overtime pay (and other job benefits like being able to sit and generally pro labor, non compete ban, marijuana freedoms, stricter environmental standards etc. It’s not all roses, there are improvements to be had, but it’s leaning in the right direction. I don’t even know why people consider states without family leave acts. I appreciate that you are helping turn the tide though by living in a Georgia and voting to support the people that will help push the country forward, but unfortunately I can afford to live elsewhere where my daughter doesn’t have to worry about unpaid maternity leave or having to go back to work after a few weeks. I’m flummoxed as to how to fix the political system giving too much voting power per capita to conservative states without a war though.

big_chungus 7y ago

So you can't stand to live in a place where many people don't think the way you think, yet you'd probably appreciate a more "diverse" city? You appreciate places like San Francisco because while others may look different, they think the same. That's fine, people are more comfortable around those who agree with them; but quit kidding yourself.

phil248 7y ago
The comment you are replying to explicitly mentioned a "hostile state government", none of the ax-grindy stuff you're bringing up.
jdavis703 7y ago
That's an uncharitable interpretation of the OP. It's not that people think different, it's that people are actively discriminated in Atlanta (well it's less an Atlanta problem and more a Georgia problem). For context I write this as an African American living in the Bay Area with family that's based in Atlanta. For example as a Black person I know my vote won't count for much in Georgia, and that the state is actively working to disenfranchise it [0]. I also know that I won't have the ability to plan my family [1]. I know I might get weird looks if I'm in a non-heteronormative relationship [2]. So the problem most people have with "red" states isn't that people love God, love cops and love pickup trucks, it's that these areas actively working to restrict our "blue" freedoms. 0: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/14/stacey-abrams-voter-suppression-campaign-states https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/aug/14/stacey-abram... 1: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/us/heartbeat-bill-georgia.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/05/07/us/heartbeat-bill-georgia... 2: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/20/us/tennessee-internet-ministers-gay-marriages.html https://www.nytimes.com/2019/07/20/us/tennessee-internet-min... (Note, this is about Tennessee, but similar attitudes pervade the South)
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- irq11 7y ago
  You think your vote counts in the bay area? Say what you will about voter suppression in Atlanta, but a vote counted there is worth a lot more than a vote counted in California. Flip Georgia blue, and you’re making real change.
  - jdavis703 7y ago
    It counts for a lot in the CA statehouse vs what it would be in GA. That said at the federal level, my vote is largely meaningless. But for the majority of my voting life I've had a bifurcated federal government that gets nothing done. So from my vantage the state is where real policy is coming from anyways.
- refurb 7y ago
  SF tore down a major black community within the city (Filmore) and its policies have resulted in an exodus of blacks except for some impoverished communities.
munificent 7y ago
This is a disengenuous argument. Even people who genuinely like diversity are not obligated to want to live near all possible kinds of people. I like diversity, but I don't want to live next to neo-Nazis, anti-vaxxers, serial killers, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance
- refurb 7y ago
  So you’re lumping in Republicans with “Nazi’s, anti-vaxxers and serial killers”?
  - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
    No, but they are related. Instead of nazi say with white power christians, and anti-vaxxers seems to have started out as much more liberal dems but now it's connected up with conservative religious rights. Serial killers might be a reference to mass shootings by conservative men posting republican talking points before their mass shootings. Of course not all republicans are like these things. But a significant number of republicans support those views, especially the belief in white power politics.
    - shijie 7y ago
      Wow do you believe everything you read on Reddit?
      - NotSammyHagar 7y ago
        I don't think all republicans are like that, but the people that do are increasingly finding a place in that party, and that's terrible of course. You have people like this Washington state Senator who literally is saying exactly these things. https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/aug/14/rep-matt-shea-endorsed-training-child-soldiers-for/ https://www.spokesman.com/stories/2019/aug/14/rep-matt-shea-...
    - whenchamenia 7y ago

echelon 7y ago

Which is exactly why liberal voters should move to Georgia. Georgia is purple, and it's close to going blue. It makes much more sense than concentrating these votes in California, which is as blue as it gets. California votes are "useless", whereas Georgia votes "matter". (I don't mean to offend by this, but the swing states have an outsized impact.) I voted out Karen Handel last election -- in a very close race -- which felt truly amazing.

lotsofpulp 7y ago
State laws matter more for quality of life, and I’m not going to hold my breath waiting for the backward states to catch up to CA (and other progressive states).
- refurb 7y ago
  If by catch up to progressive states you mean higher taxes, bigger government, more NIMBYism, bans on vaping, etc. I hope that doesn’t happen.
- echelon 7y ago
  What liberties do you enjoy that we don't? The only egregious thing I can point to in Georgia is the heartbeat abortion bill, which if you aren't paying attention is merely a ploy to get it in front of the Supreme Court so they can make it national. We were so close to defeating Governor Kemp and making this not happen. Now it's a risk to you and the entire nation.
  - lotsofpulp 7y ago
    Assisted suicide, pro choice and pro proper sex education discussing contraceptives, sick leave, parental leave (and family leave), overtime pay (and other job benefits like being able to sit and generally pro labor, non compete ban, marijuana freedoms, stricter environmental standards etc. It’s not all roses, there are improvements to be had, but it’s leaning in the right direction. I don’t even know why people consider states without family leave acts. I appreciate that you are helping turn the tide though by living in a Georgia and voting to support the people that will help push the country forward, but unfortunately I can afford to live elsewhere where my daughter doesn’t have to worry about unpaid maternity leave or having to go back to work after a few weeks. I’m flummoxed as to how to fix the political system giving too much voting power per capita to conservative states without a war though.