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You do realize there are smart people outside the computer field, right? Anyone can become a Linux sysadmin in six months of training. Most classical musicians

You do realize there are smart people outside the computer field, right? Anyone can become a Linux sysadmin in six months of training. Most classical musicians start in their early teens to get to orchestra level.

olefoo 18y ago
> Anyone can become a Linux sysadmin in six months of training. I would find that insulting if I thought you knew what you were talking about. Responding to your original blog troll http://dayvancowboy.org/2008/05/de-landa-tackles-open-source/ http://dayvancowboy.org/2008/05/de-landa-tackles-open-source... 1. you have your facts wrong. Linux is picking up in the consumer space, and many more people are starting to use it who aren't programmers. But, this has nothing to do with open source. HP, Dell and IBM all ship computers w/ Linux; which makes for an interesting definition of failure. 2. De Landa's understanding of open source is simplistic and wrong a movement that can be said to encompass both Theo De Raadt and Richard Stallman is not one given to unity of motive. One could say that there is no open source movement as such, merely individuals who use open source as a tactic. 3. Given 2. it is absurd to speak of "Open Source" "Failing"; it's like saying academia has failed because some people do not get advanced degrees. There went my lunch hour dammit.
- syntaxfree 18y ago
  Are you really comparing the expertise of a Linux/Unix sysadmin with that of a classically-trained orchestra-able violinist? Boy, you need to get out more.
  - Leon 18y ago
    Why do you have such a bias against expertise in technology vs. expertise in violin/anything else?
    - syntaxfree 18y ago
      I don't. My main expertises are technology-ish (in statistics, to be specific). It's just that these people seem to divide the world between "Joe Six-Pack" and "computer geeks". That's close-minded.
      - Leon 18y ago
        Yet you deny that anyone can be as masterful at managing and making computer systems work together as a professional violinist, and then claim that 'these people' have bias against everyone else. You also falsely state anyone can become a sysadmin in 6 months, ignoring the fact that the best sysadmins are ones that started in their teens and have mastered their field, just like classical musicians! Are you sure you aren't the one with a bias? You are implying that art is somehow better than science and engineering! People can be good at something no matter what it is they are doing! They can hone a skill or perfect a craft or master a field of anything! At least realize your bias!
        syntaxfree 18y ago
        The point being, someone smart enough to play at an orchestra should be able to use a computer. Linux didn't fail just with Joe Six-Pack, it failed the vast majority of people intelligent enough to actually handle computers.
  - olefoo 18y ago
    wow, that is trollish and completely irrelevant, and basically tells me that you aren't here for substantive discussion. A classically trained musician is operating in a field that demands perfect form and creativity, but allows for endless practice. A good system administrator is like a Mississipi river pilot, he knows the environment and his equipment, and he is able to respond to changes quickly, on a variety of equipment under a wide variety of conditions. And he should also be able to foresee consequences and alternative courses of action. If you think six months of training is enough to turn _anyone_ into a competent admin you are an ID10T.

olefoo 18y ago

> Anyone can become a Linux sysadmin in six months of training. I would find that insulting if I thought you knew what you were talking about. Responding to your original blog troll http://dayvancowboy.org/2008/05/de-landa-tackles-open-source/ http://dayvancowboy.org/2008/05/de-landa-tackles-open-source... 1. you have your facts wrong. Linux is picking up in the consumer space, and many more people are starting to use it who aren't programmers. But, this has nothing to do with open source. HP, Dell and IBM all ship computers w/ Linux; which makes for an interesting definition of failure. 2. De Landa's understanding of open source is simplistic and wrong a movement that can be said to encompass both Theo De Raadt and Richard Stallman is not one given to unity of motive. One could say that there is no open source movement as such, merely individuals who use open source as a tactic. 3. Given 2. it is absurd to speak of "Open Source" "Failing"; it's like saying academia has failed because some people do not get advanced degrees. There went my lunch hour dammit.

syntaxfree 18y ago
Are you really comparing the expertise of a Linux/Unix sysadmin with that of a classically-trained orchestra-able violinist? Boy, you need to get out more.
- Leon 18y ago
  Why do you have such a bias against expertise in technology vs. expertise in violin/anything else?
  - syntaxfree 18y ago
    I don't. My main expertises are technology-ish (in statistics, to be specific). It's just that these people seem to divide the world between "Joe Six-Pack" and "computer geeks". That's close-minded.
    - Leon 18y ago
      Yet you deny that anyone can be as masterful at managing and making computer systems work together as a professional violinist, and then claim that 'these people' have bias against everyone else. You also falsely state anyone can become a sysadmin in 6 months, ignoring the fact that the best sysadmins are ones that started in their teens and have mastered their field, just like classical musicians! Are you sure you aren't the one with a bias? You are implying that art is somehow better than science and engineering! People can be good at something no matter what it is they are doing! They can hone a skill or perfect a craft or master a field of anything! At least realize your bias!
      - syntaxfree 18y ago
        The point being, someone smart enough to play at an orchestra should be able to use a computer. Linux didn't fail just with Joe Six-Pack, it failed the vast majority of people intelligent enough to actually handle computers.
- olefoo 18y ago
  wow, that is trollish and completely irrelevant, and basically tells me that you aren't here for substantive discussion. A classically trained musician is operating in a field that demands perfect form and creativity, but allows for endless practice. A good system administrator is like a Mississipi river pilot, he knows the environment and his equipment, and he is able to respond to changes quickly, on a variety of equipment under a wide variety of conditions. And he should also be able to foresee consequences and alternative courses of action. If you think six months of training is enough to turn _anyone_ into a competent admin you are an ID10T.