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The war on drugs has ruined literally millions of lives: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs#Arrests_and_incarceration https://wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_dr

The war on drugs has ruined literally millions of lives: https://wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs#Arrests_and_incarceration https://wikipedia.org/wiki/War_on_drugs#Arrests_and_incarcer... with all due respect, I hope you fail miserably.

legitster 7y ago
Drunk driving has also ruined countless lives.
i_am_nomad 7y ago
That seems like a pretty harsh thing to say - intoxicated driving has also ruined quite a few lives.
- wolco 7y ago
  Quite a few? Would love to see stats or at least personal stories where this was the case.
  - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
    Are you looking for statistics with marjiuana or impairment in general?
    - wolco 7y ago
      marjiuana curious how it compares to other drugs.
      - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
        Here's the best I can find. https://madd.ca/pages/impaired-driving/overview/cannabis-and-driving/ https://madd.ca/pages/impaired-driving/overview/cannabis-and...
  - andonisus 7y ago
    Are you serious? You need statistics or personal stories to know that people's lives have been upended by either dying themselves or having someone close to them killed or injured by an impaired driver?
- InitialLastName 7y ago
  Driving has ruined quite a few lives, but we don't ban that.
danappelxx 7y ago
This is not about the war on drugs, this is about making roads safer. Driving under the influence is illegal whether the influencing drug is legal or not.
- deleted 7y ago
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- jabits 7y ago
  Driving under the influence should be detected by professional law enforcement observation. This can be easily backed up with video footage. Then if suspected after being pulled over, tested clinically. This is not that difficult. Even if a certain level of any substance is detected and measured, level of impairment is not.
  - chadash 7y ago
    > Driving under the influence should be detected by professional law enforcement observation. It is. I've been pulled over a few times in my life. Never had a breathalyzer test done, because they assumed (correctly) that I hadn't been drinking. But human observation is far from perfect. And even harder to defend in court. > Then if suspected after being pulled over, tested clinically. This is not that difficult. What does "tested clinically" mean. If you mean a breathalyzer for cannabis, well then that's what this is. If you mean a blood test, well, it's pretty hard to get someone to a lab in time to detect meaningful levels of THC from recent smoking, as the poster of the Launch HN notes. It is pretty difficult. > Even if a certain level of any substance is detected and measured, level of impairment is not. This is tricky. As with alcohol, different people have different tolerances. Some people can have one drink and feel tipsy, others don't feel it at all. So we set a legal limit for how much alcohol you can have in your blood, regardless of how you feel. You have to draw the line somewhere and we've decided as a society to set it at a point that's more conservative in order to reduce accidents related to drunk driving. And there are plenty of drunk driving accidents. This would do the same thing with pot. Yes, you might feel perfectly fine, but I don't want your subjective opinion of how well you think you can drive under the influence of marijuana to be the determining factor in whether we let you drive after smoking pot or not. If you want to smoke, stay put or take an uber.
Whack-kneed 7y ago
Where are the studies proving that marijuana causes neurological impairment detrimental to the operation of cars? Can you device detect Rx painkillers and sedatives? Those are already proven to reduce reaction times etc while such studies for mj are lacking. Why don't you go after those drivers? No need to reply, the answer is quite obvious.
- SannTek 7y ago
  There is certainly a lot of confusion surrounding the effect of cannabis on driving. I would check out the report linked below. It provides a really good list of studies on cannabis and impairment along with summaries. https://mass-cannabis-control.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/FINAL-RR1-PS1-Cannabis-Impaired-Driving_2019-1-18.pdf https://mass-cannabis-control.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01...

legitster 7y ago

Drunk driving has also ruined countless lives.

i_am_nomad 7y ago

That seems like a pretty harsh thing to say - intoxicated driving has also ruined quite a few lives.

wolco 7y ago
Quite a few? Would love to see stats or at least personal stories where this was the case.
- SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
  Are you looking for statistics with marjiuana or impairment in general?
  - wolco 7y ago
    marjiuana curious how it compares to other drugs.
    - SketchySeaBeast 7y ago
      Here's the best I can find. https://madd.ca/pages/impaired-driving/overview/cannabis-and-driving/ https://madd.ca/pages/impaired-driving/overview/cannabis-and...
- andonisus 7y ago
  Are you serious? You need statistics or personal stories to know that people's lives have been upended by either dying themselves or having someone close to them killed or injured by an impaired driver?
InitialLastName 7y ago
Driving has ruined quite a few lives, but we don't ban that.

danappelxx 7y ago

This is not about the war on drugs, this is about making roads safer. Driving under the influence is illegal whether the influencing drug is legal or not.

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jabits 7y ago
Driving under the influence should be detected by professional law enforcement observation. This can be easily backed up with video footage. Then if suspected after being pulled over, tested clinically. This is not that difficult. Even if a certain level of any substance is detected and measured, level of impairment is not.
- chadash 7y ago
  > Driving under the influence should be detected by professional law enforcement observation. It is. I've been pulled over a few times in my life. Never had a breathalyzer test done, because they assumed (correctly) that I hadn't been drinking. But human observation is far from perfect. And even harder to defend in court. > Then if suspected after being pulled over, tested clinically. This is not that difficult. What does "tested clinically" mean. If you mean a breathalyzer for cannabis, well then that's what this is. If you mean a blood test, well, it's pretty hard to get someone to a lab in time to detect meaningful levels of THC from recent smoking, as the poster of the Launch HN notes. It is pretty difficult. > Even if a certain level of any substance is detected and measured, level of impairment is not. This is tricky. As with alcohol, different people have different tolerances. Some people can have one drink and feel tipsy, others don't feel it at all. So we set a legal limit for how much alcohol you can have in your blood, regardless of how you feel. You have to draw the line somewhere and we've decided as a society to set it at a point that's more conservative in order to reduce accidents related to drunk driving. And there are plenty of drunk driving accidents. This would do the same thing with pot. Yes, you might feel perfectly fine, but I don't want your subjective opinion of how well you think you can drive under the influence of marijuana to be the determining factor in whether we let you drive after smoking pot or not. If you want to smoke, stay put or take an uber.

Whack-kneed 7y ago

Where are the studies proving that marijuana causes neurological impairment detrimental to the operation of cars? Can you device detect Rx painkillers and sedatives? Those are already proven to reduce reaction times etc while such studies for mj are lacking. Why don't you go after those drivers? No need to reply, the answer is quite obvious.

SannTek 7y ago
There is certainly a lot of confusion surrounding the effect of cannabis on driving. I would check out the report linked below. It provides a really good list of studies on cannabis and impairment along with summaries. https://mass-cannabis-control.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/FINAL-RR1-PS1-Cannabis-Impaired-Driving_2019-1-18.pdf https://mass-cannabis-control.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/01...