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My kids think that they are being oppressed because they are expected to help with chores and tidy their rooms. Clearly (as an oppressor) I am excluded from an

My kids think that they are being oppressed because they are expected to help with chores and tidy their rooms. Clearly (as an oppressor) I am excluded from any objective discussion of the issue.

jayventura 7y ago
Well, yes, you're excluded from discussing that oppression if you exclude matriarchy/patriarchy from parenting. As a society, we deem matriarchy/patriarchy in parenting as part of raising children. The entire idea of patriarchy in civil rights is that white cis-het men believe they know what's best for everyone in society-- and this power is given to them by society through politics. That's precisely what these "social justice" movements are trying change, the power structure, and increase representation in politics and society at large. Would you argue that is it right for white cis-het men to "parent" other communities in the same way you parent your children?
kthejoker2 7y ago
... yes? You can't argue you're being objective about your expectations of people who didn't voluntarily choose to live in your house or follow your rules but don't have means to do otherwise. I mean, your example is literally spot on. You as a parent can't be objective - you have to oppress your children to get them to adhere to your ideals of the household.
- rootusrootus 7y ago
  If you have to oppress your children in order to parent effectively, you are doing it very wrong.
  - kthejoker2 7y ago
    Sorry, wasn't commenting on the merits of parenting, authoritative styles, etc. Just trying to match OP's children's definition of "oppression" .. * having expectations involuntarily set on your performing of activities that you would not voluntarily perform otherwise; * punishment for failing to meet those expectations, rather than a reward for meeting those expectations With the contradictory idea of the person setting the expectations and punishments being "objective" in a discussion. Certainly if the request from the children is "we don't want to clean our rooms", the only truly objective response is to either: a) incentivize them to clean their rooms with negotiated rewards and benefits, in a true market sense b) convince them through logic and rhetoric to voluntarily choose to clean their rooms; c) agree that they don't have to clean their rooms.
- damq 7y ago
  And the children are objective? I don't understand your point here. Objectivity has nothing to do with this.

My kids think that they are being oppressed because they are expected to help with chores and tidy their rooms. Clearly (as an oppressor) I am excluded from any objective discussion of the issue.

jayventura 7y ago

Well, yes, you're excluded from discussing that oppression if you exclude matriarchy/patriarchy from parenting. As a society, we deem matriarchy/patriarchy in parenting as part of raising children. The entire idea of patriarchy in civil rights is that white cis-het men believe they know what's best for everyone in society-- and this power is given to them by society through politics. That's precisely what these "social justice" movements are trying change, the power structure, and increase representation in politics and society at large. Would you argue that is it right for white cis-het men to "parent" other communities in the same way you parent your children?

kthejoker2 7y ago

... yes? You can't argue you're being objective about your expectations of people who didn't voluntarily choose to live in your house or follow your rules but don't have means to do otherwise. I mean, your example is literally spot on. You as a parent can't be objective - you have to oppress your children to get them to adhere to your ideals of the household.

rootusrootus 7y ago
If you have to oppress your children in order to parent effectively, you are doing it very wrong.
- kthejoker2 7y ago
  Sorry, wasn't commenting on the merits of parenting, authoritative styles, etc. Just trying to match OP's children's definition of "oppression" .. * having expectations involuntarily set on your performing of activities that you would not voluntarily perform otherwise; * punishment for failing to meet those expectations, rather than a reward for meeting those expectations With the contradictory idea of the person setting the expectations and punishments being "objective" in a discussion. Certainly if the request from the children is "we don't want to clean our rooms", the only truly objective response is to either: a) incentivize them to clean their rooms with negotiated rewards and benefits, in a true market sense b) convince them through logic and rhetoric to voluntarily choose to clean their rooms; c) agree that they don't have to clean their rooms.
damq 7y ago
And the children are objective? I don't understand your point here. Objectivity has nothing to do with this.