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You know what would be EVEN more effective at fighting climate change than not having children? Committing suicide. But people don't want to listen to the hars

You know what would be EVEN more effective at fighting climate change than not having children? Committing suicide. But people don't want to listen to the harsh truths. They would rather consume their way out of the problem with electric cars, education for third world countries, reforestation, solar power and other false hopes.

mcny 7y ago
> You know what would be EVEN more effective at fighting climate change than not having children? Committing suicide. I'm sorry but I think this crosses the line. I don't want to impose my morality on you but in my opinion me saying "most people should not have children" is not the same as basically telling people to kill themselves. I understand that I am in the minority when I say this I think not conceiving children is not the same as telling people to kill themselves. I think people do not have a fundamental right to reproduction at the same level as they have the right to be left alive (which I think comes higher). I'd much rather see most people not have children rather than they kill themselves.
- irq11 7y ago
  Exactly. This harsh reaction to what should be an obvious statement of fact underscores the ridiculousness of the conversation, and the point of the original post. It’s not surprising at all (as I said, people don’t want to actually change their lives), but it does become a self-satire.
- theworld572 7y ago
  I'm not equating killing yourself with not having children. Of course they are not the same. I'm simply reflecting irq11's logic back at him: if the only measure by which you judge a solution is how much CO2 emissions are reduced then killing yourself is the best solution. irq11 does not consider the costs of implementing a world-wide child reduction policy. A combination of solutions including education, birth control, electric cars, reducing flying, solar energy etc. is FAR more realistic than the "no kids, no cars" approach. He complains about harsh reactions but he is the one who started this off from a very antagonistic perspective that everybody is just a mindless consumer while he is the arbiter of harsh truths that people are too weak-minded to admit to.
almost_usual 7y ago
Well that's technically what will happen when the forcing function of Earth's climate reaches a limit. I suppose it will be Earth killing us rather than us killing ourselves at that point though. We'll see if we get there with our current methods or not, hope electric cars work!

mcny 7y ago

> You know what would be EVEN more effective at fighting climate change than not having children? Committing suicide. I'm sorry but I think this crosses the line. I don't want to impose my morality on you but in my opinion me saying "most people should not have children" is not the same as basically telling people to kill themselves. I understand that I am in the minority when I say this I think not conceiving children is not the same as telling people to kill themselves. I think people do not have a fundamental right to reproduction at the same level as they have the right to be left alive (which I think comes higher). I'd much rather see most people not have children rather than they kill themselves.

irq11 7y ago
Exactly. This harsh reaction to what should be an obvious statement of fact underscores the ridiculousness of the conversation, and the point of the original post. It’s not surprising at all (as I said, people don’t want to actually change their lives), but it does become a self-satire.
theworld572 7y ago
I'm not equating killing yourself with not having children. Of course they are not the same. I'm simply reflecting irq11's logic back at him: if the only measure by which you judge a solution is how much CO2 emissions are reduced then killing yourself is the best solution. irq11 does not consider the costs of implementing a world-wide child reduction policy. A combination of solutions including education, birth control, electric cars, reducing flying, solar energy etc. is FAR more realistic than the "no kids, no cars" approach. He complains about harsh reactions but he is the one who started this off from a very antagonistic perspective that everybody is just a mindless consumer while he is the arbiter of harsh truths that people are too weak-minded to admit to.

almost_usual 7y ago

Well that's technically what will happen when the forcing function of Earth's climate reaches a limit. I suppose it will be Earth killing us rather than us killing ourselves at that point though. We'll see if we get there with our current methods or not, hope electric cars work!