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Somebody once called the suicide hotline at my dorm and the cops showed up. This lead to everyone in the dorm knowing she called the hotline, probably not the o

by pizza 7y ago

Somebody once called the suicide hotline at my dorm and the cops showed up. This lead to everyone in the dorm knowing she called the hotline, probably not the outcome she intended at all.

ComputerGuru 7y ago
Better than the alternative.
- HarryHirsch 7y ago
  You know the reputation that US cops have earned themselves for violence? It has gotten so bad that some police forces will not do welfare checks any longer because they are tired of the bad press that follows when they kill yet another suicidal person.
  - dsfyu404ed 7y ago
    >It has gotten so bad that some police forces will not do welfare checks any longer because they are tired of the bad press that follows when they kill yet another suicidal person. Maybe I have low expectations but stopping doing something because they're killing too many people unnecessarily seems like a big and uncommon step in the right direction for most law enforcement agencies. Usually they just deny, deny, deny.
  - cauthon 7y ago
    Have they tried not killing people?
    - inlined 7y ago
      “Death by cop” is a form of suicide. Some will try to create a situation where the cop has no choice but to kill or be killed.
      - HarryHirsch 7y ago
        Cops will regularly escalate a volatile situation because they have no incentives not to. Come on, about 1000 people are shot dead by police every year, that's an outlier in the civilized world. Firearms are rarer outside the US, but anyone can pick up a kitchen knife, which is just as deadly. Strangely enough, outside the US, deadly shootings involving the cops are actually news.
        beatgammit 7y ago
        I wish we would put more effort into policing the police, but for some reason, cops seem to stick up for each other even when a crime may have been committed. I believe that most cops are good, but the position definitely attracts people who like violence/power. I don't know the solution here, but there has to be a way to help good cops get the recognition they deserve without forcing them to betray their fellow officers to eliminate the bad.
        HarryHirsch 7y ago
        Earlier this year, a video of the NYPD impounding a dirtbike made the rounds: https://nypost.com/2019/04/08/nypd-officer-wipes-out-on-dirt-bike-in-harlem/ https://nypost.com/2019/04/08/nypd-officer-wipes-out-on-dirt... There was a large group of arsehole youth tearing through the area on their dirtbikes, and some fellow came off his bike, he escaped by hopping on his friend's bike, but the bike was left behind, and the police had to remove it. In the video we are treated to a group of officers egging on a colleague to get on the bike and take it to the precinct. The victim had clearly never ridden motorbike before, and it ends up as expected, the guy tears across a busy intersection through a red light, wipes out, nearly hitting two cars. And then he picks himself up from the ground and none of his "friends" assists him. Oh, and no helmet, no protective clothing, presumably no license, but open weapons. The guy did something wrong and was made fun of in public. Unit discipline in the leading city in the US is bad beyond all description. There is no good cop in all of that video, not a single one. They all deserve to have serious discipline imposed, but that will never happen.
fiblye 7y ago
There really should be an offering for people who just need to honestly talk to someone without consequence or follow up (barring cases involving harm to others). I think a big reason so many people deal with depression in silence and end up committing suicide is because they don't want the attention or being put into the mental health system. They need someone who'll listen to them be completely honest about all the problems that they can't be open about with friends and get it all out without the whole neighborhood knowing or being fucking detained. Plenty of people are going through temporary troubles and don't want "depressed/suicidal/a risk to themselves and others" tacked onto their name forever. But as it is, a lot of our mental health frameworks are set up that way and it leads to people choosing a quieter way out. I know loads of people will defend wellness checks or putting people in a hospital for a while. For some people going through extreme crises, it is good. But we need a very clear and obvious option for people who aren't a danger to others and just need an anonymous chat once in a while and want to be left alone the minute they hang up the phone. I think men in particular, especially since a large number have nobody who they can honestly vent about their problems with, are in need of something like this. They don't want to be seen as weak, they don't want to be thrown into the system, they just need someone to talk to.
- nspl_anon 7y ago
  > There really should be an offering for people who just need to honestly talk to someone without consequence or follow up. The vast majority of people who call suicide hotlines do it for this purpose.
  - fiblye 7y ago
    I know people who called and got a 1 week trip. A problem is there's a "risk" in calling. There's no 100% guarantee that you won't get a knock on your door 30 minutes later. I know people will say that suicide has a clear and obvious risk, too. The problem is that people fear the embarrassment of being paid a visit or people knowing about their troubles more than they do death.
- alexis_fr 7y ago
  In men’s issues (where I volunteer), the reason they don’t generally call the police or subscribe to a psychologist is because of incels who commit terrorist attacks. Who would want to call the police and say they’re upset with the system, knowing the first thing the police may do to remove the risk is to remove... you? Sometimes they go to a psy, under a false name. A men are the first suiciders, so it’s worth weighing this is. Once we find a group for them where they can share the problems they have with women, they’re generally defused and talk about their thoughts years later. It’s living in the omerta and denial of women’s issues that multiplies anger.

by pizza 7y ago

Somebody once called the suicide hotline at my dorm and the cops showed up. This lead to everyone in the dorm knowing she called the hotline, probably not the outcome she intended at all.

ComputerGuru 7y ago

Better than the alternative.

HarryHirsch 7y ago
You know the reputation that US cops have earned themselves for violence? It has gotten so bad that some police forces will not do welfare checks any longer because they are tired of the bad press that follows when they kill yet another suicidal person.
- dsfyu404ed 7y ago
  >It has gotten so bad that some police forces will not do welfare checks any longer because they are tired of the bad press that follows when they kill yet another suicidal person. Maybe I have low expectations but stopping doing something because they're killing too many people unnecessarily seems like a big and uncommon step in the right direction for most law enforcement agencies. Usually they just deny, deny, deny.
- cauthon 7y ago
  Have they tried not killing people?
  - inlined 7y ago
    “Death by cop” is a form of suicide. Some will try to create a situation where the cop has no choice but to kill or be killed.
    - HarryHirsch 7y ago
      Cops will regularly escalate a volatile situation because they have no incentives not to. Come on, about 1000 people are shot dead by police every year, that's an outlier in the civilized world. Firearms are rarer outside the US, but anyone can pick up a kitchen knife, which is just as deadly. Strangely enough, outside the US, deadly shootings involving the cops are actually news.
      - beatgammit 7y ago
        I wish we would put more effort into policing the police, but for some reason, cops seem to stick up for each other even when a crime may have been committed. I believe that most cops are good, but the position definitely attracts people who like violence/power. I don't know the solution here, but there has to be a way to help good cops get the recognition they deserve without forcing them to betray their fellow officers to eliminate the bad.
        HarryHirsch 7y ago
        Earlier this year, a video of the NYPD impounding a dirtbike made the rounds: https://nypost.com/2019/04/08/nypd-officer-wipes-out-on-dirt-bike-in-harlem/ https://nypost.com/2019/04/08/nypd-officer-wipes-out-on-dirt... There was a large group of arsehole youth tearing through the area on their dirtbikes, and some fellow came off his bike, he escaped by hopping on his friend's bike, but the bike was left behind, and the police had to remove it. In the video we are treated to a group of officers egging on a colleague to get on the bike and take it to the precinct. The victim had clearly never ridden motorbike before, and it ends up as expected, the guy tears across a busy intersection through a red light, wipes out, nearly hitting two cars. And then he picks himself up from the ground and none of his "friends" assists him. Oh, and no helmet, no protective clothing, presumably no license, but open weapons. The guy did something wrong and was made fun of in public. Unit discipline in the leading city in the US is bad beyond all description. There is no good cop in all of that video, not a single one. They all deserve to have serious discipline imposed, but that will never happen.

fiblye 7y ago

There really should be an offering for people who just need to honestly talk to someone without consequence or follow up (barring cases involving harm to others). I think a big reason so many people deal with depression in silence and end up committing suicide is because they don't want the attention or being put into the mental health system. They need someone who'll listen to them be completely honest about all the problems that they can't be open about with friends and get it all out without the whole neighborhood knowing or being fucking detained. Plenty of people are going through temporary troubles and don't want "depressed/suicidal/a risk to themselves and others" tacked onto their name forever. But as it is, a lot of our mental health frameworks are set up that way and it leads to people choosing a quieter way out. I know loads of people will defend wellness checks or putting people in a hospital for a while. For some people going through extreme crises, it is good. But we need a very clear and obvious option for people who aren't a danger to others and just need an anonymous chat once in a while and want to be left alone the minute they hang up the phone. I think men in particular, especially since a large number have nobody who they can honestly vent about their problems with, are in need of something like this. They don't want to be seen as weak, they don't want to be thrown into the system, they just need someone to talk to.

nspl_anon 7y ago
> There really should be an offering for people who just need to honestly talk to someone without consequence or follow up. The vast majority of people who call suicide hotlines do it for this purpose.
- fiblye 7y ago
  I know people who called and got a 1 week trip. A problem is there's a "risk" in calling. There's no 100% guarantee that you won't get a knock on your door 30 minutes later. I know people will say that suicide has a clear and obvious risk, too. The problem is that people fear the embarrassment of being paid a visit or people knowing about their troubles more than they do death.
alexis_fr 7y ago
In men’s issues (where I volunteer), the reason they don’t generally call the police or subscribe to a psychologist is because of incels who commit terrorist attacks. Who would want to call the police and say they’re upset with the system, knowing the first thing the police may do to remove the risk is to remove... you? Sometimes they go to a psy, under a false name. A men are the first suiciders, so it’s worth weighing this is. Once we find a group for them where they can share the problems they have with women, they’re generally defused and talk about their thoughts years later. It’s living in the omerta and denial of women’s issues that multiplies anger.