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The bill was not withdrawn. It is likely that some of the violence was from undercover cops. But yes, optics matter, that's why they apologised after the airpor
by Quiark 7y ago
The bill was not withdrawn. It is likely that some of the violence was from undercover cops. But yes, optics matter, that's why they apologised after the airport.
- mytailorisrich 7y ago> The bill was not withdrawn. Same difference, really...
- ilikehurdles 7y agoThen why not withdraw it?
- mytailorisrich 7y agoTo avoid total humiliation? Even if they withdraw it completely nothing prevent them from introducing another similar bill at a later time anyway, so protesters would not gain anything apart from having humiliated the executive even more.
- aqrcxvz 7y agoNot exactly. The govt can still proceed with the second and third readings and pass the law in a day. If withdrawn, the bill will need to go through the whole process. https://www.legco.gov.hk/general/english/bills/bill_1620.htm https://www.legco.gov.hk/general/english/bills/bill_1620.htm
- mytailorisrich 7y agoIsn't that what I wrote? Than they can bring it back no matter what? The protesters have also now made sure that the government will not bulge. Because that would send the message that they cave in to violence.
- CharlesColeman 7y agoYou wrote: > so protesters would not gain anything apart from having humiliated the executive even more. But that's wrong, if the bill is totally withdrawn the protesters would gain time if something similar was ever re-introduced. Time they can use to organize protests to fight it again, if need be. It sounds like the current "suspended" bill is fairly far along in the legislative process, and could be passed quickly.
- mytailorisrich 7y agoIf the only thing gained is the time to organise more protests it rather proves my point...
- CharlesColeman 7y agoNo, it doesn't. I'm having a hard time putting my finger on your misconception, but you seem to assume all time periods are equivalent and practically meaningless. Withdrawal of the bill and gaining enough time to mount a response in the future, if necessary, is an absolutely important achievement. It means the protests can stop without the risk of fly-by-night passage. It means the potential of future protests can be a deterrent to future introduction of the bill.
- liberte82 7y agoThen why not withdraw it?
- loyukfai 7y agoMany foreigners are perplexed about why people are still obsessed with the wording of the bill's situation. Well, Carrie Lam the current chief executive of HKG, has a notorious nickname - Habitual liar. She's been caught breaking promises again and again and cheating her way out of difficult situations in the past. That's why many people do not trust her. Well, politicians and people cheat all the time, but when you keep cheating publicly without remorse, it's gonna bite you back, hard. And that's what's happening now. FWIW, she's said during in one of the election forums, that she would resign if the majority of HK people think she's not fit for the office. Her rating stands at 27.9 points in the last survey. Of course, there are other things at play here, specifically, CCP/Xi is not willing to let her go for now. Hope this can give people some perspective on this issue.