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> To have any chance of slowing down climate breakdown rather than accelerating it further, we need to change our entire way of life... I agree with him. And t

by pif 7y ago

> To have any chance of slowing down climate breakdown rather than accelerating it further, we need to change our entire way of life... I agree with him. And that's why I keep saying that global warming is here to stay. We had better to learn to cope with it rather than hoping it can be reversed!

stuaxo 7y ago
We're going to have to reverse it at some point. If we keep accelerating it there won't be any learning to live with it.
- growlist 7y ago
  It's self limiting, with an attenuation in global population once a threshold is reached. I suspect we'll never reach a point where humanity disappears entirely - they'll just hang out in higher altitudes and latitudes.
- lm28469 7y ago
  The more we let it go the harder it'll be to reverse / the more lifestyle changes we'll have to go through.
bryanlarsen 7y ago
If we do nothing, then we get to learn to cope with an 8 degree rise in temperature. If we do something, maybe we can limit it to three degrees instead of our two degree target. Acknowledging we're going to miss our two degree target doesn't change the measures we have to take to mitigate climate change.
zzzcpan 7y ago
I think global warming is not just here to stay, it's going to get as worse as it can get. If the west moves off of fossils the rest of the world will get them cheaper and still burn them all, it's too important to get cheap energy for all the countries that are not as rich as the west and still need a lot of growth. For that not to happen the west would have to somehow share and distribute all the wealth it accumulated with the rest of the world or somehow force the rest of the world into the middle ages, neither of which is realistically possible. Not sure what else can be done, but it seems the earth will inevitably return to the pre historic climate where all those fossils were still in the atmosphere. The problem of global warming is the problem of distribution of wealth in capitalism itself.

by pif 7y ago

stuaxo 7y ago

We're going to have to reverse it at some point. If we keep accelerating it there won't be any learning to live with it.

growlist 7y ago
It's self limiting, with an attenuation in global population once a threshold is reached. I suspect we'll never reach a point where humanity disappears entirely - they'll just hang out in higher altitudes and latitudes.
lm28469 7y ago
The more we let it go the harder it'll be to reverse / the more lifestyle changes we'll have to go through.

bryanlarsen 7y ago

If we do nothing, then we get to learn to cope with an 8 degree rise in temperature. If we do something, maybe we can limit it to three degrees instead of our two degree target. Acknowledging we're going to miss our two degree target doesn't change the measures we have to take to mitigate climate change.

zzzcpan 7y ago

I think global warming is not just here to stay, it's going to get as worse as it can get. If the west moves off of fossils the rest of the world will get them cheaper and still burn them all, it's too important to get cheap energy for all the countries that are not as rich as the west and still need a lot of growth. For that not to happen the west would have to somehow share and distribute all the wealth it accumulated with the rest of the world or somehow force the rest of the world into the middle ages, neither of which is realistically possible. Not sure what else can be done, but it seems the earth will inevitably return to the pre historic climate where all those fossils were still in the atmosphere. The problem of global warming is the problem of distribution of wealth in capitalism itself.