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Actually I don't think so. It is much more than losing face. Losing sovereignity in East Asian countries, where nationalism is hyper active, is an attack direc

Actually I don't think so. It is much more than losing face. Losing sovereignity in East Asian countries, where nationalism is hyper active, is an attack directly on national identity. The Chinese government now will cease to exist if it yields to independence demands from any of the separationist region. The nationalistic education has been ingrained into society at large, something nobody dares to question.

dragonsh 7y ago
Yes I agree with you nationalism is ingrained from childhood and this makes it harder for minority who are against blind nationalism. This has been true for all the 70+ countries I lived and traveled. But I still believe in this quote: "Patriotism cannot be our final spiritual shelter; my refuge is humanity. I will not buy glass for the price of diamonds, and I will never allow patriotism to triumph over humanity as long as I live." By a Noble Laureate.
- gnusty_gnurc 7y ago
  patriotism != nationalism
  - reroute1 7y ago
    obviously he just gave a quote explaining that
  - dragonsh 7y ago
    Actually this is another such explanation to justify one over the other. I am a believer that world should be built and bound by human to human connections and love, not by some utilitarian construct like nationalism. You can read the book of that noble laureate who influenced me, on this subject from Gutenberg press: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/40766 https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/40766
bitxbitxbitcoin 7y ago
Losing sovreignity is the country scale version of losing face.
- dragonsh 7y ago
  In my view it's not losing face, but loss of identity and dignity given nationalistic education. If one wants to conflat the meaning of face to identity and dignity then it can apply to any country or individual.
- roboys 7y ago
  Like what happened when HK was stolen by invaders. The over-correction in response is to be expected, regardless of how delayed it might seem.

dragonsh 7y ago

Yes I agree with you nationalism is ingrained from childhood and this makes it harder for minority who are against blind nationalism. This has been true for all the 70+ countries I lived and traveled. But I still believe in this quote: "Patriotism cannot be our final spiritual shelter; my refuge is humanity. I will not buy glass for the price of diamonds, and I will never allow patriotism to triumph over humanity as long as I live." By a Noble Laureate.

gnusty_gnurc 7y ago
patriotism != nationalism
- reroute1 7y ago
  obviously he just gave a quote explaining that
- dragonsh 7y ago
  Actually this is another such explanation to justify one over the other. I am a believer that world should be built and bound by human to human connections and love, not by some utilitarian construct like nationalism. You can read the book of that noble laureate who influenced me, on this subject from Gutenberg press: https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/40766 https://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/40766

bitxbitxbitcoin 7y ago

Losing sovreignity is the country scale version of losing face.

dragonsh 7y ago
In my view it's not losing face, but loss of identity and dignity given nationalistic education. If one wants to conflat the meaning of face to identity and dignity then it can apply to any country or individual.
roboys 7y ago
Like what happened when HK was stolen by invaders. The over-correction in response is to be expected, regardless of how delayed it might seem.