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Is it a joke? In Poland, for example, Youtube, in wholesale, blocks channels which are criticize on LGBTQUERTY. The question is why the are able to censor conte

by tu7001 7y ago

Is it a joke? In Poland, for example, Youtube, in wholesale, blocks channels which are criticize on LGBTQUERTY. The question is why the are able to censor content. I don't expect that my supplier turn off gas for me, if he thinks, that I use it to kill people; it's not his business, ot's the matter of law enforcement, the police, etc.

ChickeNES 7y ago
> Is it a joke? No? > In Poland, for example, Youtube, in wholesale, blocks channels which are criticize on LGBTQUERTY. YouTube is US based and hate speech is looked down upon in the US. Don't like it? Find a service not based in the US. > The question is why the are able to censor content. It's a private website, they can do whatever they want. Again, find another site if you want hate content. > I don't expect that my supplier turn off gas for me, if he thinks, that I use it to kill people; it's not his business, ot's the matter of law enforcement, the police, etc. ??? A) if they know you're using it to kill people they would be an accomplice in the eyes of the law B) they would have every right to refuse service
- 12thsie34 7y ago
  "Hate speech" according to the opinions of an undeserving minority of rich nerds.
rewq4321 7y ago
> In Poland A month ago LGBT people were being punched and kicked in the head and had bricks thrown at them while walking down the street for a parade: https://streamable.com/hflsx https://streamable.com/hflsx "Fuck off, we will kill you, there is no place for you in society" https://streamable.com/f1c7c https://streamable.com/f1c7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlXWhSE9kAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlXWhSE9kAM You should be ashamed of your country for the way LGBT people get treated.
- bprieto 7y ago
  Are you really sure you should also be held to that standard? That you should be ashamed by any of the wrong things anyone does in your country?
- 12thsie34 7y ago
  Censorship is violence, freedom to censor doesnt mean freedom from consequences.
mikekchar 7y ago
Your gas vendor does (I hope) discriminate on the kind of gas that gets piped to you. It doesn't allow all gasses -- only certain gas. They are, in fact, in business to sell that certain gas and not all gasses. They go to a great deal of effort to ensure that you get the special gas, not on some random gas that a producer decided you might like to try. Vendors always discriminate on what they ship to customers. It is never an open platform. I know it's very confusing, but Youtube literally says that you can only distribute certain kinds of things using their service and that they will block other things. I suppose they don't put it in 40 point font on their front page, but it's also not hard to find: https://www.youtube.com/t/terms https://www.youtube.com/t/terms (incidentally this came up in Japanese for me, so I suppose it might come up in Polish for you). When people talk about freedom of speech and censorship, what they are talking about is society's role in gagging you. Generally speaking, usually countries don't force you to carry specific content (ha ha! Unless you are Canadian.... Canadian inside joke...), but likewise nobody is forced to carry all content, or accept all trade that might come their way. You are allowed as a business to choose what you want to do and who you want to do business with -- unless it's with a protected segment of society. That's a pretty basic freedom and someone who clearly values freedom as you do can surely see why it is important. You might argue (to greater or lesser success) that Youtube is a pubic carrier and should be forced to carry everything for free... I suppose... But I'm betting you'll be in the "lesser success" category there. You might argue that your particular subgroup of people who criticise minority gender issues are worthy of special protection and therefore should have a protected ability to spread your message... I suppose... But seriously, I don't think you'll get very far with any of it. From my perspective, I just think Youtube is within their rights to do what they want on this kind of issue. We may like it or dislike it, but it's the only sane way to handle it.
foldr 7y ago
Youtube doesn't actually censor anti-LGBT hate speech very effectively. For example, this asshole's videos are still up: https://gizmodo.com/youtube-no-we-wont-remove-these-videos-of-racist-ant-1835259054 https://gizmodo.com/youtube-no-we-wont-remove-these-videos-o... (And no, they're not blocked in Poland.)

by tu7001 7y ago

ChickeNES 7y ago

> Is it a joke? No? > In Poland, for example, Youtube, in wholesale, blocks channels which are criticize on LGBTQUERTY. YouTube is US based and hate speech is looked down upon in the US. Don't like it? Find a service not based in the US. > The question is why the are able to censor content. It's a private website, they can do whatever they want. Again, find another site if you want hate content. > I don't expect that my supplier turn off gas for me, if he thinks, that I use it to kill people; it's not his business, ot's the matter of law enforcement, the police, etc. ??? A) if they know you're using it to kill people they would be an accomplice in the eyes of the law B) they would have every right to refuse service

12thsie34 7y ago
"Hate speech" according to the opinions of an undeserving minority of rich nerds.

rewq4321 7y ago

> In Poland A month ago LGBT people were being punched and kicked in the head and had bricks thrown at them while walking down the street for a parade: https://streamable.com/hflsx https://streamable.com/hflsx "Fuck off, we will kill you, there is no place for you in society" https://streamable.com/f1c7c https://streamable.com/f1c7c https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlXWhSE9kAM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hlXWhSE9kAM You should be ashamed of your country for the way LGBT people get treated.

bprieto 7y ago
Are you really sure you should also be held to that standard? That you should be ashamed by any of the wrong things anyone does in your country?
12thsie34 7y ago
Censorship is violence, freedom to censor doesnt mean freedom from consequences.

mikekchar 7y ago

Your gas vendor does (I hope) discriminate on the kind of gas that gets piped to you. It doesn't allow all gasses -- only certain gas. They are, in fact, in business to sell that certain gas and not all gasses. They go to a great deal of effort to ensure that you get the special gas, not on some random gas that a producer decided you might like to try. Vendors always discriminate on what they ship to customers. It is never an open platform. I know it's very confusing, but Youtube literally says that you can only distribute certain kinds of things using their service and that they will block other things. I suppose they don't put it in 40 point font on their front page, but it's also not hard to find: https://www.youtube.com/t/terms https://www.youtube.com/t/terms (incidentally this came up in Japanese for me, so I suppose it might come up in Polish for you). When people talk about freedom of speech and censorship, what they are talking about is society's role in gagging you. Generally speaking, usually countries don't force you to carry specific content (ha ha! Unless you are Canadian.... Canadian inside joke...), but likewise nobody is forced to carry all content, or accept all trade that might come their way. You are allowed as a business to choose what you want to do and who you want to do business with -- unless it's with a protected segment of society. That's a pretty basic freedom and someone who clearly values freedom as you do can surely see why it is important. You might argue (to greater or lesser success) that Youtube is a pubic carrier and should be forced to carry everything for free... I suppose... But I'm betting you'll be in the "lesser success" category there. You might argue that your particular subgroup of people who criticise minority gender issues are worthy of special protection and therefore should have a protected ability to spread your message... I suppose... But seriously, I don't think you'll get very far with any of it. From my perspective, I just think Youtube is within their rights to do what they want on this kind of issue. We may like it or dislike it, but it's the only sane way to handle it.

foldr 7y ago

Youtube doesn't actually censor anti-LGBT hate speech very effectively. For example, this asshole's videos are still up: https://gizmodo.com/youtube-no-we-wont-remove-these-videos-of-racist-ant-1835259054 https://gizmodo.com/youtube-no-we-wont-remove-these-videos-o... (And no, they're not blocked in Poland.)