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The platform economics change in that case. Right now, anybody can upload content for free and it'll appear very quickly on the channel. If you increase the cos

The platform economics change in that case. Right now, anybody can upload content for free and it'll appear very quickly on the channel. If you increase the cost per video by mandating human oversight on videos, then YouTube will probably remove the ability for (most) people to upload videos for free. I don't think that that's preferable for society.

goatinaboat 7y ago
Is what we have now preferable? Imagine a YouTube that cost $10 to upload a video and $1 per comment. The quality of the content would be much higher and the hate speech would drop to zero. Wouldn’t that be preferable for society?
- dsjoerg 7y ago
  Global median per-capita daily income is $8. So I have to spend my whole day's income to upload a video? You're effectively restricting speech to the rich, and the poor just have to sit there and listen. That would be sad and unnecessary.
  - crankylinuxuser 7y ago
    So it would be like old terrestrial over the air television. No?
  - goatinaboat 7y ago
    You can afford a camera, a laptop and a high speed connection, but not a token amount to cover moderating your upload? I don’t imagine this being a common scenario.
    - Mirioron 7y ago
      You can make videos on a computer that you can get for a few hundred dollars. That means you could make 20-30 videos for the same amount of money your equipment cost. That is a prohibitive scenario. I create content for YouTube and if I had to pay $10 per video then I would never make another YouTube video again. It doesn't matter that there are thousands of people (and tends of thousands+ sometimes), because I simply couldn't afford to spend time and effort to make a video and then spend extra money to share it. You could make the argument that perhaps society is better off if I don't create content, but there are at least some people that claim they enjoy it.
- dagw 7y ago
  Imagine a YouTube that cost $10 to upload a video Isn't that basically Vimeo's business model?
jakelazaroff 7y ago
Why is the existence of YouTube specifically preferable to society? They're just a random company. No one has a right to their business model; if they can't figure out how to do make a video sharing site that doesn't harm people, they should go out of business to make space for someone who can. It's not like YouTube's particular implementation of video sharing is inherently better than Vimeo, PeerTube, or whatever else someone could come up with.
- Mirioron 7y ago
  And how exactly is YouTube harming people? The topic at hand is about some people not having access to monetization on YouTube and your proposed solution is to shut down YouTube altogether?
Faark 7y ago
More likely: YouTube will actually look for a way to achieve the same while offloading the costs to someone else. That should be very easy once two other parties are involved, as is the case with copyright stuff. I've never got a good argument against pushing both parties towards arbitration (selected by YT), with the looser picking up the tab. Video classification by YT is a bit more tricky, since they themselves are one of the involved parties and thus any incentives put in place to improve the system would cost YT.

goatinaboat 7y ago

Is what we have now preferable? Imagine a YouTube that cost $10 to upload a video and $1 per comment. The quality of the content would be much higher and the hate speech would drop to zero. Wouldn’t that be preferable for society?

dsjoerg 7y ago
Global median per-capita daily income is $8. So I have to spend my whole day's income to upload a video? You're effectively restricting speech to the rich, and the poor just have to sit there and listen. That would be sad and unnecessary.
- crankylinuxuser 7y ago
  So it would be like old terrestrial over the air television. No?
- goatinaboat 7y ago
  You can afford a camera, a laptop and a high speed connection, but not a token amount to cover moderating your upload? I don’t imagine this being a common scenario.
  - Mirioron 7y ago
    You can make videos on a computer that you can get for a few hundred dollars. That means you could make 20-30 videos for the same amount of money your equipment cost. That is a prohibitive scenario. I create content for YouTube and if I had to pay $10 per video then I would never make another YouTube video again. It doesn't matter that there are thousands of people (and tends of thousands+ sometimes), because I simply couldn't afford to spend time and effort to make a video and then spend extra money to share it. You could make the argument that perhaps society is better off if I don't create content, but there are at least some people that claim they enjoy it.
dagw 7y ago
Imagine a YouTube that cost $10 to upload a video Isn't that basically Vimeo's business model?

jakelazaroff 7y ago

Why is the existence of YouTube specifically preferable to society? They're just a random company. No one has a right to their business model; if they can't figure out how to do make a video sharing site that doesn't harm people, they should go out of business to make space for someone who can. It's not like YouTube's particular implementation of video sharing is inherently better than Vimeo, PeerTube, or whatever else someone could come up with.

Mirioron 7y ago
And how exactly is YouTube harming people? The topic at hand is about some people not having access to monetization on YouTube and your proposed solution is to shut down YouTube altogether?

Faark 7y ago

More likely: YouTube will actually look for a way to achieve the same while offloading the costs to someone else. That should be very easy once two other parties are involved, as is the case with copyright stuff. I've never got a good argument against pushing both parties towards arbitration (selected by YT), with the looser picking up the tab. Video classification by YT is a bit more tricky, since they themselves are one of the involved parties and thus any incentives put in place to improve the system would cost YT.