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> There is no evidence of a fresh water shortage. The UN disagrees. [1] > We had the wettest year in 125 years in the U.S. this year. Surely you're not using

> There is no evidence of a fresh water shortage. The UN disagrees. [1] > We had the wettest year in 125 years in the U.S. this year. Surely you're not using a one time event to argue against the scientific consensus of climate change? > Beef is one of the healthiest foods on the planet, and we evolved to eat meat, and have been eating it for 2.5 million years. What does this have to do with the water consumption used in raising cows? [1] - https://www.unwater.org/water-facts/climate-change/ https://www.unwater.org/water-facts/climate-change/

chrisco255 7y ago
Surely you're not arguing that the amount of water on the planet has decreased? Or that global annual rainfall has reduced? EPA shows that annual precipitation has consistently increased over the past century, so the water scare is a bad play: https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-us-and-global-precipitation https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indica...
- glenvdb 7y ago
  The overall amount of water on the planet and the annual rainfall isn't the same thing as water availability.
- mtgx 7y ago
  Climate change effects were always primarily about local disruptions: i.e. stuff like certain countries agriculture being hit hard by dry seasons while others would see tons of rain and floods when they didn't before. You don't think there is significant regional impact if say the Nile dries up but most of that water then shows up say in Greece? It almost doesn't matter that "on balance" the water quantity is the same globally. Think of it through this more extreme analogy - what if the US became the new ice covered Greenland while Siberia became a tropical jungle?
- petersellers 7y ago
  > Surely you're not arguing that the amount of water on the planet has decreased? Or that global annual rainfall has reduced? No, I'm arguing that you are conflating precipitation with water accessibility.
  - vinceguidry 7y ago
    Are you saying there's a different baseline metric we could be using? If we're going to be making climate-change related arguments about water, we need a climate-based metric to show that it's climate change causing water accessibility issues. Without such a metric, then it's easier to show that local political issues are what's causing these issues.
taneq 7y ago
> Surely you're not using a one time event to argue against the scientific consensus of climate change? "But it's cold in my office, global warming debunked!"

chrisco255 7y ago

Surely you're not arguing that the amount of water on the planet has decreased? Or that global annual rainfall has reduced? EPA shows that annual precipitation has consistently increased over the past century, so the water scare is a bad play: https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indicators-us-and-global-precipitation https://www.epa.gov/climate-indicators/climate-change-indica...

glenvdb 7y ago
The overall amount of water on the planet and the annual rainfall isn't the same thing as water availability.
mtgx 7y ago
Climate change effects were always primarily about local disruptions: i.e. stuff like certain countries agriculture being hit hard by dry seasons while others would see tons of rain and floods when they didn't before. You don't think there is significant regional impact if say the Nile dries up but most of that water then shows up say in Greece? It almost doesn't matter that "on balance" the water quantity is the same globally. Think of it through this more extreme analogy - what if the US became the new ice covered Greenland while Siberia became a tropical jungle?
petersellers 7y ago
> Surely you're not arguing that the amount of water on the planet has decreased? Or that global annual rainfall has reduced? No, I'm arguing that you are conflating precipitation with water accessibility.
- vinceguidry 7y ago
  Are you saying there's a different baseline metric we could be using? If we're going to be making climate-change related arguments about water, we need a climate-based metric to show that it's climate change causing water accessibility issues. Without such a metric, then it's easier to show that local political issues are what's causing these issues.

taneq 7y ago

> Surely you're not using a one time event to argue against the scientific consensus of climate change? "But it's cold in my office, global warming debunked!"