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Isn't a more reasonable solution that the users select content that they are comfortable with, or just leave the platform altogether? YouTube is mine and hundre

Isn't a more reasonable solution that the users select content that they are comfortable with, or just leave the platform altogether? YouTube is mine and hundreds of millions of people's favorite site on the internet. If I see content I don't like, I go to other content.

cameldrv 7y ago
The users don't select content. The recommender algorithm does, and then it autoplays it.
- ralusek 7y ago
  If you really don't like it, don't go on the site. I don't go on almost every site there is. Do you think it is a morally defensible position that your sensibilities be foisted upon other people in such an extreme fashion that you would deny them access to a platform altogether? Don't you think it's at least worth exploring something akin to subreddits, where communities can be moderated to the tastes of the specific tolerances that represent the group?
  - cameldrv 7y ago
    If you don't like YouTube demonetizing videos, don't upload your videos to the site then. Personally I don't have a problem with people discussing or making videos of whatever they want to. I don't like the fact that YouTube with the recommender and Autoplay is stochastic mind control. It's programmed to make people watch loads of YouTube, and the mechanism that it has discovered to do that is to nudge people to obsess over fringe things, causing them to watch videos about these things for hours per day.
    - ralusek 7y ago
      Did you mean to suggest that I have a problem with YouTube demonetizing? If it bothered me enough so as to make the content I like inaccessible, leaving the site is exactly what I would do. That doesn't mean I think they shouldn't exist, or be able to do what they'd like.
- sittingnut 7y ago
  users do select content to watch even if some human trained algorithm recommends it and it's one click to disable autoplay. users have free choice and choice is not limited to what youtube recommends or even youtube. don't fake act as if youtube is in total control and through that try to control what others get recommended.
jakelazaroff 7y ago
What if you want to post videos and interact with a community, but every time you do you get brigaded by hundreds of harassers? What if the filters intended to prevent hate speech end up harming the targets of that hate speech instead? What if YouTube's algorithms push conspiracy theories and manifestos of domestic terrorists into people's feeds? These are not "deal with it or leave" issues; these are existential crises that we must hold platforms accountable to solving.
- ralusek 7y ago
  If you mean legally, I disagree. If you mean that you boycott it, then that's obviously fine.

cameldrv 7y ago

The users don't select content. The recommender algorithm does, and then it autoplays it.

ralusek 7y ago
If you really don't like it, don't go on the site. I don't go on almost every site there is. Do you think it is a morally defensible position that your sensibilities be foisted upon other people in such an extreme fashion that you would deny them access to a platform altogether? Don't you think it's at least worth exploring something akin to subreddits, where communities can be moderated to the tastes of the specific tolerances that represent the group?
- cameldrv 7y ago
  If you don't like YouTube demonetizing videos, don't upload your videos to the site then. Personally I don't have a problem with people discussing or making videos of whatever they want to. I don't like the fact that YouTube with the recommender and Autoplay is stochastic mind control. It's programmed to make people watch loads of YouTube, and the mechanism that it has discovered to do that is to nudge people to obsess over fringe things, causing them to watch videos about these things for hours per day.
  - ralusek 7y ago
    Did you mean to suggest that I have a problem with YouTube demonetizing? If it bothered me enough so as to make the content I like inaccessible, leaving the site is exactly what I would do. That doesn't mean I think they shouldn't exist, or be able to do what they'd like.
sittingnut 7y ago
users do select content to watch even if some human trained algorithm recommends it and it's one click to disable autoplay. users have free choice and choice is not limited to what youtube recommends or even youtube. don't fake act as if youtube is in total control and through that try to control what others get recommended.

jakelazaroff 7y ago

What if you want to post videos and interact with a community, but every time you do you get brigaded by hundreds of harassers? What if the filters intended to prevent hate speech end up harming the targets of that hate speech instead? What if YouTube's algorithms push conspiracy theories and manifestos of domestic terrorists into people's feeds? These are not "deal with it or leave" issues; these are existential crises that we must hold platforms accountable to solving.

ralusek 7y ago
If you mean legally, I disagree. If you mean that you boycott it, then that's obviously fine.