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This problem wouldn't exist if there was no "moderation" (which is censorship) at all.

by coolblah 7y ago

rnd0 7y ago
4chan tried that; everyone knows how spectacularly that failed.
- swebs 7y ago
  Failed? It's doing quite well
  - rnd0 7y ago
    It's doing quite well ...after instituting moderation.
  - ajross 7y ago
    4chan famously did an about face post-Gamergate and started moderating heavily. The whole reason we're talking about 8chan now with respect to racial violence is that those folks were all effectively ejected from 4chan.
tsukurimashou 7y ago
The problem is the same as our current society, some people will never get along, stop trying to put everyone in a single platform
- zzzcpan 7y ago
  People generally can get along, it's just in certain countries there is this state pushed divide and conquer [1] that's been going on for way too long. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule
rhcom2 7y ago
Kind of like how police brutality wouldn't exist if there were no police at all?
greglindahl 7y ago
How do you propose to pick the next autoplay video? How do you propose making advertisers happy? Easy to cry censorship; hard to address real business issues.
- wyoh 7y ago
  Have advertisers select on what kind of content they want to appear instead of baring all ads for some creators? I'm sure some advertisers don't mind being associated with mature audience.
- bjt2n3904 7y ago
  Easy as all getout. 1. Don't have "autoplay". Make the user choose. Autoplay is not good for society. "Tip your head back, turn your brain off, and let the algorithm feed you what will keep you here." 2. Give the advertisers more fine grained controls on what types of videos their ads show on. If a stink goes up because Dove doesn't want to be on a PewDiePie video, then that isn't Google's fault. It's Dove's. Let the advertiser add PDP to the blacklist, or make a more exclusive whitelist. It's like Twitter. "Oh, oh no... how do we stop people seeing all this awful content?" A) Stop deciding for the user (and therefore the entire website) what is awful B) Give the user better blocking controls. However, this won't happen, because Google and Twitter like being able to shape what the "algorithm" shows you, and keeping that control in their hands. This is why the chronological timeline isn't coming back.
  - greglindahl 7y ago
    Totally cool that it's easy for you! Except that youtube doesn't want to do 1, and for 2, you have to classify the videos to let the advertisers choose, which is exactly the same problem that youtube already has.
rimliu 7y ago
I hope after ditching war on drugs, war on sex/nudity will be next. The censorship artist has to do on their creations just to pass FB moderation is ridiculous. Like they are literally blurring the nipples only. Whom does it help? It just destroys the art. And I still cannot wrap my head around why nudity is so vilified and violence so glorified. It should be the other way around.

This problem wouldn't exist if there was no "moderation" (which is censorship) at all.

rnd0 7y ago

4chan tried that; everyone knows how spectacularly that failed.

swebs 7y ago
Failed? It's doing quite well
- rnd0 7y ago
  It's doing quite well ...after instituting moderation.
- ajross 7y ago
  4chan famously did an about face post-Gamergate and started moderating heavily. The whole reason we're talking about 8chan now with respect to racial violence is that those folks were all effectively ejected from 4chan.

tsukurimashou 7y ago

The problem is the same as our current society, some people will never get along, stop trying to put everyone in a single platform

zzzcpan 7y ago
People generally can get along, it's just in certain countries there is this state pushed divide and conquer [1] that's been going on for way too long. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divide_and_rule

rhcom2 7y ago

Kind of like how police brutality wouldn't exist if there were no police at all?

greglindahl 7y ago

How do you propose to pick the next autoplay video? How do you propose making advertisers happy? Easy to cry censorship; hard to address real business issues.

wyoh 7y ago
Have advertisers select on what kind of content they want to appear instead of baring all ads for some creators? I'm sure some advertisers don't mind being associated with mature audience.
bjt2n3904 7y ago
Easy as all getout. 1. Don't have "autoplay". Make the user choose. Autoplay is not good for society. "Tip your head back, turn your brain off, and let the algorithm feed you what will keep you here." 2. Give the advertisers more fine grained controls on what types of videos their ads show on. If a stink goes up because Dove doesn't want to be on a PewDiePie video, then that isn't Google's fault. It's Dove's. Let the advertiser add PDP to the blacklist, or make a more exclusive whitelist. It's like Twitter. "Oh, oh no... how do we stop people seeing all this awful content?" A) Stop deciding for the user (and therefore the entire website) what is awful B) Give the user better blocking controls. However, this won't happen, because Google and Twitter like being able to shape what the "algorithm" shows you, and keeping that control in their hands. This is why the chronological timeline isn't coming back.
- greglindahl 7y ago
  Totally cool that it's easy for you! Except that youtube doesn't want to do 1, and for 2, you have to classify the videos to let the advertisers choose, which is exactly the same problem that youtube already has.

rimliu 7y ago

I hope after ditching war on drugs, war on sex/nudity will be next. The censorship artist has to do on their creations just to pass FB moderation is ridiculous. Like they are literally blurring the nipples only. Whom does it help? It just destroys the art. And I still cannot wrap my head around why nudity is so vilified and violence so glorified. It should be the other way around.