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Zoom has very little defensible tech, it's more about packaging/marketing. Cloudflare is very difficult to duplicate.

ec109685 7y ago
Zoom has network effects. If a company has deployed zoom in their conference rooms, talking to non-zoom shops stinks.
steve19 7y ago
Not true, Zoom has developed and deployed very sophisticated malware which would be hard to replicate on purpose or through incompetence.
sciurus 7y ago
> Cloudflare is very difficult to duplicate. Unless you're one of their many competitors, like, say, AWS. From the S-1: "Our current and potential future competitors include a number of different types of companies, including: • on-premise hardware network vendors, such as Cisco Systems Inc., F5 Networks, Inc., Check Point Software Technologies Ltd., FireEye, Inc., Imperva, Inc., Palo Alto Networks, Inc., Juniper Networks, Inc., and Riverbed Technology, Inc.; • point-cloud solution vendors, including cloud security vendors such as Zscaler, Inc. and Cisco Systems Inc. through Umbrella (formerly known as OpenDNS), content delivery network vendors such as Akamai Technologies, Inc., Limelight Networks, Inc., Fastly, Inc., and Verizon Communications Inc. through Edgecast, domain name system vendors services such as Oracle Corporation through DYN, NeuStar, Inc., and UltraDNS Corporation, and cloud SD-WAN vendors; and • traditional public cloud vendors, such as Amazon.com, Inc. through Amazon Web Services, Alphabet Inc. through Google Cloud Platform, Microsoft Corporation through Azure, and Alibaba Group Holding Limited through Alibaba Cloud. "
- nezgar 7y ago
  >"on-premise hardware network vendors..." Wow, they grammar goofed "on-premise" 33 times on their filing. (should be on-premises)
  - ksec 7y ago
    Not sure why the above getting downvoted, unless On-Premises is wrong? ( Honest Question, I have always used On-Premises ) Edit: And Now I am getting downvoted for asking a question.
    - nezgar 7y ago
      "on-premises" is indeed correct in this context. "premise" is a thought or idea. "premises" is a location, like your servers can be "on-premises". Completely different meanings. I hear lots of people these days mistakenly saying "on-premise" during hybrid-cloud conversations and in documentation when they really mean "on-premises". (And yes, looks like I've been down-voted for my first hacker news comment too.)
      - ksec 7y ago
        It just means the quality of HN is downgrading very rapidly.
pjkundert 7y ago
You would think... But, every competitor that I’ve tried to use is a train wreck. Zoom just works. All the time, every time.
- erichurkman 7y ago
  The fact that Zoom has gotten software engineers to _like_ Zoom is a testament. Most engineers I know detest almost all video conference solutions. Hangouts eats batteries for breakfast, Cisco products are clunky and expensive, Skype is ancient, etc.... but Zoom just works.

Zoom has network effects. If a company has deployed zoom in their conference rooms, talking to non-zoom shops stinks.

Not true, Zoom has developed and deployed very sophisticated malware which would be hard to replicate on purpose or through incompetence.

sciurus 7y ago

> Cloudflare is very difficult to duplicate. Unless you're one of their many competitors, like, say, AWS. From the S-1: "Our current and potential future competitors include a number of different types of companies, including: • on-premise hardware network vendors, such as Cisco Systems Inc., F5 Networks, Inc., Check Point Software Technologies Ltd., FireEye, Inc., Imperva, Inc., Palo Alto Networks, Inc., Juniper Networks, Inc., and Riverbed Technology, Inc.; • point-cloud solution vendors, including cloud security vendors such as Zscaler, Inc. and Cisco Systems Inc. through Umbrella (formerly known as OpenDNS), content delivery network vendors such as Akamai Technologies, Inc., Limelight Networks, Inc., Fastly, Inc., and Verizon Communications Inc. through Edgecast, domain name system vendors services such as Oracle Corporation through DYN, NeuStar, Inc., and UltraDNS Corporation, and cloud SD-WAN vendors; and • traditional public cloud vendors, such as Amazon.com, Inc. through Amazon Web Services, Alphabet Inc. through Google Cloud Platform, Microsoft Corporation through Azure, and Alibaba Group Holding Limited through Alibaba Cloud. "

nezgar 7y ago
>"on-premise hardware network vendors..." Wow, they grammar goofed "on-premise" 33 times on their filing. (should be on-premises)
- ksec 7y ago
  Not sure why the above getting downvoted, unless On-Premises is wrong? ( Honest Question, I have always used On-Premises ) Edit: And Now I am getting downvoted for asking a question.
  - nezgar 7y ago
    "on-premises" is indeed correct in this context. "premise" is a thought or idea. "premises" is a location, like your servers can be "on-premises". Completely different meanings. I hear lots of people these days mistakenly saying "on-premise" during hybrid-cloud conversations and in documentation when they really mean "on-premises". (And yes, looks like I've been down-voted for my first hacker news comment too.)
    - ksec 7y ago
      It just means the quality of HN is downgrading very rapidly.

pjkundert 7y ago

You would think... But, every competitor that I’ve tried to use is a train wreck. Zoom just works. All the time, every time.

erichurkman 7y ago
The fact that Zoom has gotten software engineers to _like_ Zoom is a testament. Most engineers I know detest almost all video conference solutions. Hangouts eats batteries for breakfast, Cisco products are clunky and expensive, Skype is ancient, etc.... but Zoom just works.