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Majority of AI startups are starting with manual approach to generate training data set for future algorithms... Plus it is a faster way to validate demand for

Majority of AI startups are starting with manual approach to generate training data set for future algorithms... Plus it is a faster way to validate demand for given business model.

andr 7y ago
I think demand for VC-subsidised labor and real estate will always be high.
thepaperone 7y ago
The majority of AI startups use AI instead of a glorified outsourcing house to manually do what the entire purpose of the business model claims it is doing. But I guess i'm expecting too much from an Indian startup.
- charliepark 7y ago
  That second paragraph is unkind, unnecessary, and unwelcome.
notyourday 7y ago
So their founders should be charged with securities fraud and go to jail if they do not tell the investors that it is what they are doing.
withusx5 7y ago
Are there any proven examples of a company doing this (starting with a manual approach), receiving investment, and eventually developing a working AI product?
- pushtheenvelope 7y ago
  seems like many self-driving car startups follow this model?
  - nordiccoder2 7y ago
    There is no such thing as a self-driving car, and there won't be for at least 20 more years.
    - bananocurrency 7y ago
      thanks! that's clearly what the above comment was asking. . .
- freehunter 7y ago
  Depends on how you define AI. If you're talking hands-off, learned-from-scratch ML and deep learning. I'm not sure. If you're talking "used a human to learn the steps and then slowly automated those steps", then you're describing basically every company that's ever existed.
  - EpicEng 7y ago
    >If you're talking "used a human to learn the steps and then slowly automated those steps", then you're describing basically every company that's ever existed. So, obviously not that definition then....
    - RosanaAnaDana 7y ago
      That's a pretty weak definition then. Might be your issue right there.
- zaroth 7y ago
  There was a fairly hyped scheduling assistant which had human intervention to start... Ah here [1] it is, X.ai. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11520681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11520681 * Interestingly, searching on Google for “x.ai human” lead me back to the HN discussion as the 4th link! I’m seeing HN discussion surface in organic search results a lot more lately.
  - ed312 7y ago
    That's likely because your Google profile points HN threads as relevant / what you're searching for. Try using DDG for a less biased search result.
    - zaroth 7y ago
      This did not occur to me. This would be mildly terrifying if true, except Incognito mode returns the same results.
      - mrguyorama 7y ago
        Does incognito mode change your IP address? I wouldn't doubt google still "knows" it's you
      - sean2 7y ago
        The hn link is 5th result for me on google, but that link is the bottom of the second page on ddg (20th result I think?). I think google is following you in your incognito mode!

Majority of AI startups are starting with manual approach to generate training data set for future algorithms... Plus it is a faster way to validate demand for given business model.

andr 7y ago

I think demand for VC-subsidised labor and real estate will always be high.

thepaperone 7y ago

The majority of AI startups use AI instead of a glorified outsourcing house to manually do what the entire purpose of the business model claims it is doing. But I guess i'm expecting too much from an Indian startup.

charliepark 7y ago
That second paragraph is unkind, unnecessary, and unwelcome.

notyourday 7y ago

So their founders should be charged with securities fraud and go to jail if they do not tell the investors that it is what they are doing.

withusx5 7y ago

Are there any proven examples of a company doing this (starting with a manual approach), receiving investment, and eventually developing a working AI product?

pushtheenvelope 7y ago
seems like many self-driving car startups follow this model?
- nordiccoder2 7y ago
  There is no such thing as a self-driving car, and there won't be for at least 20 more years.
  - bananocurrency 7y ago
    thanks! that's clearly what the above comment was asking. . .
freehunter 7y ago
Depends on how you define AI. If you're talking hands-off, learned-from-scratch ML and deep learning. I'm not sure. If you're talking "used a human to learn the steps and then slowly automated those steps", then you're describing basically every company that's ever existed.
- EpicEng 7y ago
  >If you're talking "used a human to learn the steps and then slowly automated those steps", then you're describing basically every company that's ever existed. So, obviously not that definition then....
  - RosanaAnaDana 7y ago
    That's a pretty weak definition then. Might be your issue right there.
zaroth 7y ago
There was a fairly hyped scheduling assistant which had human intervention to start... Ah here [1] it is, X.ai. [1] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11520681 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=11520681 * Interestingly, searching on Google for “x.ai human” lead me back to the HN discussion as the 4th link! I’m seeing HN discussion surface in organic search results a lot more lately.
- ed312 7y ago
  That's likely because your Google profile points HN threads as relevant / what you're searching for. Try using DDG for a less biased search result.
  - zaroth 7y ago
    This did not occur to me. This would be mildly terrifying if true, except Incognito mode returns the same results.
    - mrguyorama 7y ago
      Does incognito mode change your IP address? I wouldn't doubt google still "knows" it's you
    - sean2 7y ago
      The hn link is 5th result for me on google, but that link is the bottom of the second page on ddg (20th result I think?). I think google is following you in your incognito mode!