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"Another nice thing: the node_modules folder for this Hello World Svelte app totals only 29MB and 242 packages." How is it nice that you have almost 30MB of co

"Another nice thing: the node_modules folder for this Hello World Svelte app totals only 29MB and 242 packages." How is it nice that you have almost 30MB of code for something that prints "Hello World"? EDIT: For what it's worth, I don't fault Svelte for this necessarily. This is indicative of NPM bloat which is becoming rampant in my opinion.

bbmario 7y ago
Is it 29MB for production dependencies, or dev and prod?
- wishinghand 7y ago
  Just dev. Production size is minuscule.
jacobedawson 7y ago
To be fair, the Svelte bundle.js that you would actually serve to a browser is only 2.3kb. The 25mb is what the dev's computer has to store in its node_modules. "Another nice thing: the node_modules folder for this Hello World Svelte app totals only 29MB and 242 packages. Compare that to 204MB and 1017 packages for a fresh Create React App project."
- Zelphyr 7y ago
  A somewhat apples-to-oranges comparison I know but; 277B: <!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en"> <head> <title>Test</title> </head> <body> <div id="howdy"></div> <script type="text/javascript"> document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', () => document.getElementById('howdy').innerHTML = 'Hello world!') </script> </body> </html>
  - lioeters 7y ago
    Omitting html, head, and body tags is allowed by HTML specs, and the script tag's default type is "text/javascript". So it could be further simplified to: <title>Test</title> <div id="howdy"></div> <script> document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', () => document.getElementById('howdy').innerHTML = 'Hello world!' ) </script> Edit: formatting
esotericn 7y ago
LOL. I am actually laughing here at this comment. 30 bloody meg. Never mind ageism in tech, this sort of thing will give me a heart attack before I'm halfway through my career. :D
- jf22 7y ago
  If you think of js bundle size as a percentage of average hard drive space or compare to a ratio of broadband speeds then 30 megs doesn't seem so bad.
  - Zelphyr 7y ago
    Still, seriously? 30MB to print "Hello, World"? I can drive a Hummer H3 the block away to the 7-11 but wouldn't it be better if I at least try to ride my bike up there whenever possible?
    - acemarke 7y ago
      Try checking the size of a typical C++ compiler plus supporting headers and libraries and comparing that. Same concept.
    - jf22 7y ago
      If you only drove your Hummer H3 a foot would you still say "seriously, all this to go a foot?"...
robertoandred 7y ago
What in that app's node_modules folder do you consider to be necessary bloat?

bbmario 7y ago

Is it 29MB for production dependencies, or dev and prod?

wishinghand 7y ago
Just dev. Production size is minuscule.

jacobedawson 7y ago

To be fair, the Svelte bundle.js that you would actually serve to a browser is only 2.3kb. The 25mb is what the dev's computer has to store in its node_modules. "Another nice thing: the node_modules folder for this Hello World Svelte app totals only 29MB and 242 packages. Compare that to 204MB and 1017 packages for a fresh Create React App project."

Zelphyr 7y ago
A somewhat apples-to-oranges comparison I know but; 277B: <!DOCTYPE html> <html lang="en"> <head> <title>Test</title> </head> <body> <div id="howdy"></div> <script type="text/javascript"> document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', () => document.getElementById('howdy').innerHTML = 'Hello world!') </script> </body> </html>
- lioeters 7y ago
  Omitting html, head, and body tags is allowed by HTML specs, and the script tag's default type is "text/javascript". So it could be further simplified to: <title>Test</title> <div id="howdy"></div> <script> document.addEventListener('DOMContentLoaded', () => document.getElementById('howdy').innerHTML = 'Hello world!' ) </script> Edit: formatting

esotericn 7y ago

LOL. I am actually laughing here at this comment. 30 bloody meg. Never mind ageism in tech, this sort of thing will give me a heart attack before I'm halfway through my career. :D

jf22 7y ago
If you think of js bundle size as a percentage of average hard drive space or compare to a ratio of broadband speeds then 30 megs doesn't seem so bad.
- Zelphyr 7y ago
  Still, seriously? 30MB to print "Hello, World"? I can drive a Hummer H3 the block away to the 7-11 but wouldn't it be better if I at least try to ride my bike up there whenever possible?
  - acemarke 7y ago
    Try checking the size of a typical C++ compiler plus supporting headers and libraries and comparing that. Same concept.
  - jf22 7y ago
    If you only drove your Hummer H3 a foot would you still say "seriously, all this to go a foot?"...

robertoandred 7y ago

What in that app's node_modules folder do you consider to be necessary bloat?