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The privacy of whom? Google seems to favoring the privacy of those who might be recorded by the camera. The owners of the cameras object. I'm not entirely sure

The privacy of whom? Google seems to favoring the privacy of those who might be recorded by the camera. The owners of the cameras object. I'm not entirely sure why: do they expect privacy while recording others?

420codebro 7y ago
Hmm wow real stumper here my lad - let's break it down. I own a camera I bought. I am operating said camera on my property for the purposes of general surveillance and security. But somehow the camera vendor thinks the privacy of a potential subject being recorded outweighs the owner's rights to use the product as they see fit. I fully encourage Google to continue with such dumbass behavior. Max it out - go 9001%.
human20190310 7y ago
I think that has to be it. I'm really surprised that people are objecting to having a "camera active" light.
asdf21 7y ago
You really aren't using your imagination if you can't figure out potential uses for a hidden nanny cam. What if I want to see: * If my cleaning person is stealing? * If my cleaning person is using the right chemicals on my stove? * If the nanny is shaking the baby? * If my husband is having an affair? * If my teenager is doing drugs? * Which sibling actually started it / threw the first punch? Those are just off the top of my head, I'm not even being creative.
- JumpCrisscross 7y ago
  > What if I want to see: If my cleaning person is stealing?* Use your camera. The status light doesn’t disable its ability to record and transmit video. You want to record these people without their knowledge. That is just wrong. More fundamentally, change the people you interact with or your relationships with them.
  - 420codebro 7y ago
    Wrong? Lol. It is my property. Obviously no one should surreptitiously record someone in an PRIVATE or INTIMATE moment, but in a free-space, in my house? That's fair game you dummy.
  - cr0sh 7y ago
    > That is just wrong. I suppose it depends on what you mean by "wrong"? For instance, it's perfectly legal to record inside your house - visibly or not - provided it's not in an area or place where the user would expect privacy (usually meaning a bathroom or similar place - but could be extended to bedrooms depending on consent and other reasons). It might be considered unethical, perhaps even immoral, depending on the reasoning or ulimate purpose for those recordings. But legally there isn't anything wrong about it. Note: This all depends on your local or other laws of course...
- jlarocco 7y ago
  Unless you're hiring, marrying, and raising the dumbest people around, they're probably smart enough to not perform those activities in front of a video camera in any case. Security cameras don't usually have indicator lights, so the safe assumption is always that the camera is recording.
  - cr0sh 7y ago
    Security cameras also don't always look like security cameras...but most (especially Nest devices) do. However, if I was trying to find out some kind of nefarious activity within my home, I wouldn't put up an obvious security camera, unless it was to redirect the potential perp toward somewhere that has the actual camera - hidden as a book, or something similar - ideally, it fits right in with its environment, and doesn't look at all out of placce...
- pwinnski 7y ago
  Are you filming a reality show that depends on catching a cleaning person stealing, using the wrong chemicals, etc? Or is the point to ensure your cleaning person is not stealing, using the wrong chemicals, etc? The lights boost the purpose of deterrence, while making it harder to unethically record people. That's the point. I would never have a Google-made camera in my house, and I really dislike defending them, but people who want a hidden cam need to hit up the nearest spy shop. Nest cams are for security, not "gotchas," and the always-on light serves security well.
defertoreptar 7y ago
Most people live with others in the same home, and more than one person can "own" a camera. Sometimes when no one else is home, privacy is expected of an otherwise shared space. I imagine in those circumstances, it can be comforting to know that the camera is actually off when you want it to be.
LocalH 7y ago
Which to me is saying that a burglar's right to know he's being recorded outweighs the property owner's right to catch burglars. I don't really think the former should ever outweigh the latter.

420codebro 7y ago

Hmm wow real stumper here my lad - let's break it down. I own a camera I bought. I am operating said camera on my property for the purposes of general surveillance and security. But somehow the camera vendor thinks the privacy of a potential subject being recorded outweighs the owner's rights to use the product as they see fit. I fully encourage Google to continue with such dumbass behavior. Max it out - go 9001%.

human20190310 7y ago

I think that has to be it. I'm really surprised that people are objecting to having a "camera active" light.

asdf21 7y ago

You really aren't using your imagination if you can't figure out potential uses for a hidden nanny cam. What if I want to see: * If my cleaning person is stealing? * If my cleaning person is using the right chemicals on my stove? * If the nanny is shaking the baby? * If my husband is having an affair? * If my teenager is doing drugs? * Which sibling actually started it / threw the first punch? Those are just off the top of my head, I'm not even being creative.

JumpCrisscross 7y ago
> What if I want to see: If my cleaning person is stealing?* Use your camera. The status light doesn’t disable its ability to record and transmit video. You want to record these people without their knowledge. That is just wrong. More fundamentally, change the people you interact with or your relationships with them.
- 420codebro 7y ago
  Wrong? Lol. It is my property. Obviously no one should surreptitiously record someone in an PRIVATE or INTIMATE moment, but in a free-space, in my house? That's fair game you dummy.
- cr0sh 7y ago
  > That is just wrong. I suppose it depends on what you mean by "wrong"? For instance, it's perfectly legal to record inside your house - visibly or not - provided it's not in an area or place where the user would expect privacy (usually meaning a bathroom or similar place - but could be extended to bedrooms depending on consent and other reasons). It might be considered unethical, perhaps even immoral, depending on the reasoning or ulimate purpose for those recordings. But legally there isn't anything wrong about it. Note: This all depends on your local or other laws of course...
jlarocco 7y ago
Unless you're hiring, marrying, and raising the dumbest people around, they're probably smart enough to not perform those activities in front of a video camera in any case. Security cameras don't usually have indicator lights, so the safe assumption is always that the camera is recording.
- cr0sh 7y ago
  Security cameras also don't always look like security cameras...but most (especially Nest devices) do. However, if I was trying to find out some kind of nefarious activity within my home, I wouldn't put up an obvious security camera, unless it was to redirect the potential perp toward somewhere that has the actual camera - hidden as a book, or something similar - ideally, it fits right in with its environment, and doesn't look at all out of placce...
pwinnski 7y ago
Are you filming a reality show that depends on catching a cleaning person stealing, using the wrong chemicals, etc? Or is the point to ensure your cleaning person is not stealing, using the wrong chemicals, etc? The lights boost the purpose of deterrence, while making it harder to unethically record people. That's the point. I would never have a Google-made camera in my house, and I really dislike defending them, but people who want a hidden cam need to hit up the nearest spy shop. Nest cams are for security, not "gotchas," and the always-on light serves security well.

defertoreptar 7y ago

Most people live with others in the same home, and more than one person can "own" a camera. Sometimes when no one else is home, privacy is expected of an otherwise shared space. I imagine in those circumstances, it can be comforting to know that the camera is actually off when you want it to be.

LocalH 7y ago

Which to me is saying that a burglar's right to know he's being recorded outweighs the property owner's right to catch burglars. I don't really think the former should ever outweigh the latter.