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> Another nice thing: the node_modules folder for this Hello World Svelte app totals only 29MB and 242 packages "Only".

by Doctor_Fegg 7y ago

nailer 7y ago
That's the compiler, not the output of the compiler. Likewise GCC/LLVM is huge, but helloworld.bin is pretty small.
- sealjam 7y ago
  I've never heard it described like that but you're right. Interesting counter point.
  - huzaif 7y ago
    Even though these are compile/build time requirements, their size ends up slowing down CI/CD process. Our ondemand cloud build servers download the code, restore nuget packages and download node modules. Most of the build time is spent downloading. Compiling generally takes an order of magnitude less time compared to those 2 steps. This especially effects scenarios where end-to-end testing can only be done in a staging environment due to complexity of the product.
    - wirahx 7y ago
      Sounds like you need some caching. I have three large production svelte projects and the entire checkout and npm install (Cache then update) process takes three seconds on CircleCI.
- asdkhadsj 7y ago
  It can matter though; fwiw. I love Rust, but my "node_modules" in Rust is absolutely huge. Not a problem on Desktop, but because I am full-time Rust these days my next laptops have to have lots of storage. Gone are the days where I can have a small SSD in my laptop. Fwiw though, even a 250MB node_modules would pale in comparison to my Rust version lol.
  - porker 7y ago
    > I love Rust, but my "node_modules" in Rust is absolutely huge. Why does Rust need a node_modules folder?
    - Keats 7y ago
      It's not node_modules but it is the same concept, it's called target in Rust.
    - asdkhadsj 7y ago
      Keats is correct - I figured this is a JS discussion thread so rather than say my target folder, I'd use "node_modules" for familiarity. I should have probably explained that. A bit of verboseness would have saved more verbose comments haha.
- Cthulhu_ 7y ago
  How big is the source code size of GCC/LLVM? I mean node_modules often contains the full source + dist of the whole dependency chain.
  - dymk 7y ago
    Many gigabytes
  - saagarjha 7y ago
    The source-controlled (and somewhat out of date) folder for LLVM is about a gigabyte on my machine.
ConfusedDog 7y ago
The project I'm working on with only a couple web components using Angular already exceeded 400MB node_modules folder. Web development sometimes freak me out.
GordonS 7y ago
Erm, for a JS project that uses NPM packages, that really is tiny. IME it's not uncommon to see node_modules with thousands of packages. Do keep in mind of course that these are dev-time dependencies, they don't go into production. IMO only 30MB of build deps is pretty damn good.
mrmonkeyman 7y ago
GCC, libc, etc.. far, far exceed 29MB.

> Another nice thing: the node_modules folder for this Hello World Svelte app totals only 29MB and 242 packages "Only".

nailer 7y ago

That's the compiler, not the output of the compiler. Likewise GCC/LLVM is huge, but helloworld.bin is pretty small.

sealjam 7y ago
I've never heard it described like that but you're right. Interesting counter point.
- huzaif 7y ago
  Even though these are compile/build time requirements, their size ends up slowing down CI/CD process. Our ondemand cloud build servers download the code, restore nuget packages and download node modules. Most of the build time is spent downloading. Compiling generally takes an order of magnitude less time compared to those 2 steps. This especially effects scenarios where end-to-end testing can only be done in a staging environment due to complexity of the product.
  - wirahx 7y ago
    Sounds like you need some caching. I have three large production svelte projects and the entire checkout and npm install (Cache then update) process takes three seconds on CircleCI.
asdkhadsj 7y ago
It can matter though; fwiw. I love Rust, but my "node_modules" in Rust is absolutely huge. Not a problem on Desktop, but because I am full-time Rust these days my next laptops have to have lots of storage. Gone are the days where I can have a small SSD in my laptop. Fwiw though, even a 250MB node_modules would pale in comparison to my Rust version lol.
- porker 7y ago
  > I love Rust, but my "node_modules" in Rust is absolutely huge. Why does Rust need a node_modules folder?
  - Keats 7y ago
    It's not node_modules but it is the same concept, it's called target in Rust.
  - asdkhadsj 7y ago
    Keats is correct - I figured this is a JS discussion thread so rather than say my target folder, I'd use "node_modules" for familiarity. I should have probably explained that. A bit of verboseness would have saved more verbose comments haha.
Cthulhu_ 7y ago
How big is the source code size of GCC/LLVM? I mean node_modules often contains the full source + dist of the whole dependency chain.
- dymk 7y ago
  Many gigabytes
- saagarjha 7y ago
  The source-controlled (and somewhat out of date) folder for LLVM is about a gigabyte on my machine.

ConfusedDog 7y ago

The project I'm working on with only a couple web components using Angular already exceeded 400MB node_modules folder. Web development sometimes freak me out.

GordonS 7y ago

Erm, for a JS project that uses NPM packages, that really is tiny. IME it's not uncommon to see node_modules with thousands of packages. Do keep in mind of course that these are dev-time dependencies, they don't go into production. IMO only 30MB of build deps is pretty damn good.

mrmonkeyman 7y ago

GCC, libc, etc.. far, far exceed 29MB.