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The fact that there is a logical chain of engineering considerations that got us to this point I take as granted (yes, the article thinks it could have been don

The fact that there is a logical chain of engineering considerations that got us to this point I take as granted (yes, the article thinks it could have been done better but, as you point out, there are safety problems). But our world is becoming more and more like a Doglas Adams novel - I seem to remember in one of the H2G2 books that they considered their civilisation so advanced that they did away with TV remotes, and the TV could detect that you wanted to change channel when you make a gesture. The upshot being that if you didn't want the channel to change or the volume to suddenly shoot up, you had to sit completely rigidly still for the duration of your programme.

heavenlyblue 7y ago
I kind of do that to Spotify - I have to listen to tracks I don't necessarily like so that their suggestion mechanism would stop pushing me the same stuff I had already listened to. PS: That being said, I would still listen to stuff I don't like to discover something, but that's beyond the point - wasn't automation supposed to make our lives better in some way? :)
- owenmarshall 7y ago
  So your goal is discovery of music? We used to have a great solution for this: disk jockeys. Some stations still do employ them as actual curators of music, not just a pleasing voice over the Clear Channel Top 40 feed. The problems of today are strange.
  - imglorp 7y ago
    The loss of DJs to syndicated formats was tragic. These folks are pros, with vast experience, and they can put together a show by theme, or to tell a story, or to set a mood, or to challenge you with some new things. Most of them now press the button on whatever they're told and read the title out. But, every once in a while they sneak in a late night show now, maybe when mgmt isn't looking. I wonder if this would be a good format for streaming, like the old days but global, with a live DJ and fans interacting live.
    - owenmarshall 7y ago
      > I wonder if this would be a good format for streaming, like the old days but global, with a live DJ and fans interacting live. I have a great site for you: check out https://wfmu.org https://wfmu.org
      - imglorp 7y ago
        Nice, and also https://radioparadise.com https://radioparadise.com
    - ssully 7y ago
      I've found Apple Music does this pretty well with some of it's scheduled programming like Beats 1, or the less frequently but quality stuff like Echo Chamber.
    - jpindar 7y ago
      It is the most common format for clubs in virtual worlds, and I've found a lot of new music that way. One of my favorites is the saturday afternoon show in Utopia Skye, which is simulcast on Discord, allowing people who aren't in the virtual club to listen and to interact with the DJs. Utopia Skye Discord: https://discord.gg/hScth5T https://discord.gg/hScth5T
    - Uninen 7y ago
      > I wonder if this would be a good format for streaming, like the old days but global, with a live DJ and fans interacting live. This is exactly why I've been working on a live streaming site for DJs and music lovers [1] where DJs can play whatever we like LIVE while also interacting with our listeners via a well-working chat (not those pesky shoutboxes most of radio stations seem to use). This differs from Twitch and other platforms being only focused on music and having lots of features for the DJs to engage and grow their fanbase. I'm obviously biased but live streaming DJ sets and radio shows to a live international audience is very exciting and getting to listen proper oldskool DJs play awesome sets live feels always special. Internet FTW! :) [1]: Slipmat.io - https://slipmat.io/ https://slipmat.io/
  - bpyne 7y ago
    I miss disk jockeys. The ones who were knowledgeable about music, played B sides, and had some personality were gems. I found a station (KSLG) in northern California that still does this. I like Spotify and there's a place for it. But I wouldn't call it fun. Listening to a good DJ was fun and sometimes informative.
- roland35 7y ago
  That doesn't sound as bad as Pandora for me - I used to like it until Pandora kept playing Björk songs over and over and over, no matter how much I downvoted them!
jaclaz 7y ago
Almost, it was about radio knobs and touch control, not tv remotes: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=1329 http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=1329 >A loud clatter of gunk music flooded through the Heart of Gold cabin as Zaphod searched the sub-etha radio wave bands for news of himself. The machine was rather difficult to operate. For years radios had been operated by means of pressing buttons and turning dials; then as the technology became more sophisticated the controls were made touch-sensitive--you merely had to brush the panels with your fingers; now all you had to do was wave your hand in the general direction of the components and hope. It saved a lot of muscular expenditure, of course, but meant that you had to sit infuriatingly still if you wanted to keep listening to the same program.
- perl4ever 7y ago
  I like to watch Youtube videos about cars I can't afford, and Heart of Gold was exactly what I thought of when I saw that a recent BMW 7-series actually has gesture control.

heavenlyblue 7y ago

I kind of do that to Spotify - I have to listen to tracks I don't necessarily like so that their suggestion mechanism would stop pushing me the same stuff I had already listened to. PS: That being said, I would still listen to stuff I don't like to discover something, but that's beyond the point - wasn't automation supposed to make our lives better in some way? :)

owenmarshall 7y ago
So your goal is discovery of music? We used to have a great solution for this: disk jockeys. Some stations still do employ them as actual curators of music, not just a pleasing voice over the Clear Channel Top 40 feed. The problems of today are strange.
- imglorp 7y ago
  The loss of DJs to syndicated formats was tragic. These folks are pros, with vast experience, and they can put together a show by theme, or to tell a story, or to set a mood, or to challenge you with some new things. Most of them now press the button on whatever they're told and read the title out. But, every once in a while they sneak in a late night show now, maybe when mgmt isn't looking. I wonder if this would be a good format for streaming, like the old days but global, with a live DJ and fans interacting live.
  - owenmarshall 7y ago
    > I wonder if this would be a good format for streaming, like the old days but global, with a live DJ and fans interacting live. I have a great site for you: check out https://wfmu.org https://wfmu.org
    - imglorp 7y ago
      Nice, and also https://radioparadise.com https://radioparadise.com
  - ssully 7y ago
    I've found Apple Music does this pretty well with some of it's scheduled programming like Beats 1, or the less frequently but quality stuff like Echo Chamber.
  - jpindar 7y ago
    It is the most common format for clubs in virtual worlds, and I've found a lot of new music that way. One of my favorites is the saturday afternoon show in Utopia Skye, which is simulcast on Discord, allowing people who aren't in the virtual club to listen and to interact with the DJs. Utopia Skye Discord: https://discord.gg/hScth5T https://discord.gg/hScth5T
  - Uninen 7y ago
    > I wonder if this would be a good format for streaming, like the old days but global, with a live DJ and fans interacting live. This is exactly why I've been working on a live streaming site for DJs and music lovers [1] where DJs can play whatever we like LIVE while also interacting with our listeners via a well-working chat (not those pesky shoutboxes most of radio stations seem to use). This differs from Twitch and other platforms being only focused on music and having lots of features for the DJs to engage and grow their fanbase. I'm obviously biased but live streaming DJ sets and radio shows to a live international audience is very exciting and getting to listen proper oldskool DJs play awesome sets live feels always special. Internet FTW! :) [1]: Slipmat.io - https://slipmat.io/ https://slipmat.io/
- bpyne 7y ago
  I miss disk jockeys. The ones who were knowledgeable about music, played B sides, and had some personality were gems. I found a station (KSLG) in northern California that still does this. I like Spotify and there's a place for it. But I wouldn't call it fun. Listening to a good DJ was fun and sometimes informative.
roland35 7y ago
That doesn't sound as bad as Pandora for me - I used to like it until Pandora kept playing Björk songs over and over and over, no matter how much I downvoted them!

jaclaz 7y ago

Almost, it was about radio knobs and touch control, not tv remotes: http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=1329 http://www.technovelgy.com/ct/content.asp?Bnum=1329 >A loud clatter of gunk music flooded through the Heart of Gold cabin as Zaphod searched the sub-etha radio wave bands for news of himself. The machine was rather difficult to operate. For years radios had been operated by means of pressing buttons and turning dials; then as the technology became more sophisticated the controls were made touch-sensitive--you merely had to brush the panels with your fingers; now all you had to do was wave your hand in the general direction of the components and hope. It saved a lot of muscular expenditure, of course, but meant that you had to sit infuriatingly still if you wanted to keep listening to the same program.

perl4ever 7y ago
I like to watch Youtube videos about cars I can't afford, and Heart of Gold was exactly what I thought of when I saw that a recent BMW 7-series actually has gesture control.