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Sadly it has been shown the United States circa 2019 is not an ally anymore ... it is an alien country to most of us now where you have somehow elected a nativi

Sadly it has been shown the United States circa 2019 is not an ally anymore ... it is an alien country to most of us now where you have somehow elected a nativist leader who is a racist. At this stage for us Africans the Chinese seems like a more dependable and friendlier lot.

rhegart 7y ago
I see the propaganda machine has completely brainwashed you. Similar to how the propaganda machine painted USA as completely benevolent in my early years. Opposite effect now.
- pms 7y ago
  Isn't this against Hacker News rules to call another user "completely brainwashed"? Brainwashing is what WSJ does since Murdoch took control over it and what mainstream Western media were doing to motivate the last deadly invasion on Iraq [1,2]. Just look at the reality. The US military killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, while the US public elected and supported its leaders who started this war by brainwashing the global population to believe their lies (and now the story repeats itself with Trump [3]). Who was/is brainwashed? [1] https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/20/18274228/ari-fleischer-iraq-lies-george-w-bush-wmds https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/20/18274228/a... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/11/opinion/kurtz-iraq-media-failure/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/11/opinion/kurtz-iraq-media-fail... [3] https://theintercept.com/2019/08/14/trump-iran-worst-lies/ https://theintercept.com/2019/08/14/trump-iran-worst-lies/
brighter2morrow 7y ago
You're not African. You are Jewish.
NicoJuicy 7y ago
It's still an ally, more than the Chinese will ever be. Just wait and see, the loans you are getting ( not investments) are for Chinese workers. The loans are at 4-6% if the work isn't executed by Chinese workers. That's not an ally
- rolltiide 7y ago
  And the IMF is different? Loan, extract resources, saddle with debt. I guess its only a whataboutism when you dont realize that you created a separate higher standard to begin with. edit: meant World Bank and USAID as they don't only lend to members.
  - NicoJuicy 7y ago
    Yes, it is. It's only funds, not resources. Give me some trustworthy resources that say the IMF is both. The Western world has been giving back colonies from a dark past. That's a higher standard. Fyi, the entire world has dark pasts, some more successful than others.
    - rolltiide 7y ago
      I made an edit, I meant World Bank and USAID as they don't only lend to member countries. I don't have sources I would quote, but I have enough to be told to look over there and see the cause and effect. Developing countries are saddled with debt, and further crippled. Recipients of the debt are contractors. Austerity measures are needed to repay the debt, and the citizens are the ones burdened by it to help extract the country's natural resources to pay the debt. Even IF an indictment of the World Bank is just crackpot conspiracies, it is a really good instruction manual. China's approach is running the same playbook but may even be more completely benign. Their industries have been entering emerging markets that others have decided not to effectively touch, without invading. Are they also running the regime change playbook too like the US did all last century? Time will tell. They are doing a lot for African markets. They don't need to be an "ally", everyone should be skeptical. Lightyears ahead of what the west is doing though.
      - NicoJuicy 7y ago
        Debt has gone way worse since the Chinese came in for loans though ;) PS. No sources to quote, that's a bummer. Everyone thinks to see all causes and effects. I do not agree with this one. The West has been mostly fair in the digital age, while China doesn't. That's the cause and effect i see.

rhegart 7y ago

I see the propaganda machine has completely brainwashed you. Similar to how the propaganda machine painted USA as completely benevolent in my early years. Opposite effect now.

pms 7y ago
Isn't this against Hacker News rules to call another user "completely brainwashed"? Brainwashing is what WSJ does since Murdoch took control over it and what mainstream Western media were doing to motivate the last deadly invasion on Iraq [1,2]. Just look at the reality. The US military killed hundreds of thousands of civilians, while the US public elected and supported its leaders who started this war by brainwashing the global population to believe their lies (and now the story repeats itself with Trump [3]). Who was/is brainwashed? [1] https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/20/18274228/ari-fleischer-iraq-lies-george-w-bush-wmds https://www.vox.com/policy-and-politics/2019/3/20/18274228/a... [2] https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/11/opinion/kurtz-iraq-media-failure/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2013/03/11/opinion/kurtz-iraq-media-fail... [3] https://theintercept.com/2019/08/14/trump-iran-worst-lies/ https://theintercept.com/2019/08/14/trump-iran-worst-lies/

brighter2morrow 7y ago

You're not African. You are Jewish.

NicoJuicy 7y ago

It's still an ally, more than the Chinese will ever be. Just wait and see, the loans you are getting ( not investments) are for Chinese workers. The loans are at 4-6% if the work isn't executed by Chinese workers. That's not an ally

rolltiide 7y ago
And the IMF is different? Loan, extract resources, saddle with debt. I guess its only a whataboutism when you dont realize that you created a separate higher standard to begin with. edit: meant World Bank and USAID as they don't only lend to members.
- NicoJuicy 7y ago
  Yes, it is. It's only funds, not resources. Give me some trustworthy resources that say the IMF is both. The Western world has been giving back colonies from a dark past. That's a higher standard. Fyi, the entire world has dark pasts, some more successful than others.
  - rolltiide 7y ago
    I made an edit, I meant World Bank and USAID as they don't only lend to member countries. I don't have sources I would quote, but I have enough to be told to look over there and see the cause and effect. Developing countries are saddled with debt, and further crippled. Recipients of the debt are contractors. Austerity measures are needed to repay the debt, and the citizens are the ones burdened by it to help extract the country's natural resources to pay the debt. Even IF an indictment of the World Bank is just crackpot conspiracies, it is a really good instruction manual. China's approach is running the same playbook but may even be more completely benign. Their industries have been entering emerging markets that others have decided not to effectively touch, without invading. Are they also running the regime change playbook too like the US did all last century? Time will tell. They are doing a lot for African markets. They don't need to be an "ally", everyone should be skeptical. Lightyears ahead of what the west is doing though.
    - NicoJuicy 7y ago
      Debt has gone way worse since the Chinese came in for loans though ;) PS. No sources to quote, that's a bummer. Everyone thinks to see all causes and effects. I do not agree with this one. The West has been mostly fair in the digital age, while China doesn't. That's the cause and effect i see.