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India is a secular state. We treat all religions with equal respect. This is in the constitution. This issue is an internal matter following due process withi

India is a secular state. We treat all religions with equal respect. This is in the constitution. This issue is an internal matter following due process within our parliamentary framework.

iamshs 7y ago
If India is so secular why is there a tax law called Hindu Undivided Family or HUF, which Muslims cannot use to reduce their taxable income? How can a damn tax law be applicable on basis of religion? If it is so secular then why does Indian Constitution term Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs under Hindu religion umbrella. Since when is it for the constitution to define religions? If India is so secular than why does it ban beef, sacred animal only to Hindus? If it is so secular then why does it welcome Hindu refugees from Pakistan and expels Muslim Rohingya refugees?
- la12 7y ago
  I'm not sure why you're avoiding talking about the role of Pakistan in creating the whole conflict in Kashmir. Pakistan invented out of the whole cloth an armed struggle aspect to the Kashmir situation. It's extremely convenient on your part to talk pointwise all the Pakistani talking points and yet avoid talking about the 90% causative factor in this entire mess.
- vakataka 7y ago
  FYI, Indian Muslims have their own personal law while the rest of the population follows uniform civil code. They get Hajj subsidies and other perks that no other community gets. As for taking refugees, a country can deny entry based on any number of reasons. In 2018, the number of refugees taken in by the US has gone down. That doesn't mean US is less secular. I agree Indian constitution is not the most secular but it definitely is not anti-minority.
  - iamshs 7y ago
    Hindus are also given subsidies for travel to their religious sites, inside India and to China. Mansarovar Lake and Amarnath pilgrimage. So that is one propaganda point of yours busted. Let's bust the second point: Why are only Muslim refugees being expelled, and why is there a specific citizenship law that gives Indian citizenship to Hindus and excludes Muslims?
    - vakataka 7y ago
      That's a strawman argument. Even if what you say is true, are you proposing no communities other than minorities should get any perks? Also, do you have any reliable sources to back up your claims? Most of what you are saying seem to be just your opinions.
      - iamshs 7y ago
        So why did you bring up subsidy as an argument for Muslims? Was that not a strawman? Every single thing I said in this thread can be googled. Nothing in here is my opinion by an established fact. And facts can hurt because they ain't easy to counter. So go Google it, I ain't doing your homework for you.
        vakataka 7y ago
        I can say the same thing and just dismiss all your points. You are creating false equivalence between Hajj and amarnath. The Indian government controls all Hindu temples and derives revenue. So what is the problem in subsidizing these when the profit from these sites is used up within the country? On the other hand, Hajj spending goes out of the country and is a dead investment. And mind you, only Hindu institutions come under government purview by law. None of the minority institutions are touched.
        iamshs 7y ago
        Dismiss them all you want, I am setting your propaganda straight. There ain't no false equivalence there. Subsidy for religious pilgrimage for Hindus and Muslims exists, and you cherry picked Muslim subsidy only and I set it straight. So Hindu pilgrimage subsidy is acceptable because the money is spent inside India? Taxpayer money is still being spent on a religious cause and Mansarovar is in China and not India.
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- cmonnow 7y ago
  If India is so secular, why is polygamy allowed for Muslims, but not Hindus ? Equal treatment does not mean same treatment. A doctor treats both men & women equally, so he gives the woman estrogen and the man testosterone. Would you prefer it if the doctor gave everyone estrogen ?
nashashmi 7y ago
Secular in name only. The current party has been anti minority with significant frequency and protectionist of hindu beliefs. It is the reason why Kashmir never merged with the rest of India.
- cscurmudgeon 7y ago
  Stop spreading falsehoods and partial truths: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus
- kbad1000 7y ago
  Literally religion had nothing to do with abolishment of article 370. India is secular and this government is much more secular than any Congress coalition in the past few decades. NDA government is not a appeasement government.
- sbmthakur 7y ago
  > Secular in name only. The current party has been anti minority with significant frequency and protectionist of hindu beliefs And yet the current Government has increased minority affairs budget substantially over the years[1]. 1. https://m.timesofindia.com/business/india-business/62-increase-in-funding-for-minority-affairs-in-union-budget/articleshow/62742314.cms https://m.timesofindia.com/business/india-business/62-increa...
whenchamenia 7y ago
Lol. Lets just say it thus; In the usa we have freedom of religion, but a minority of religions have a majority of special rights. The same is true for India.

India is a secular state. We treat all religions with equal respect. This is in the constitution. This issue is an internal matter following due process within our parliamentary framework.

iamshs 7y ago

If India is so secular why is there a tax law called Hindu Undivided Family or HUF, which Muslims cannot use to reduce their taxable income? How can a damn tax law be applicable on basis of religion? If it is so secular then why does Indian Constitution term Buddhists, Jains and Sikhs under Hindu religion umbrella. Since when is it for the constitution to define religions? If India is so secular than why does it ban beef, sacred animal only to Hindus? If it is so secular then why does it welcome Hindu refugees from Pakistan and expels Muslim Rohingya refugees?

la12 7y ago
I'm not sure why you're avoiding talking about the role of Pakistan in creating the whole conflict in Kashmir. Pakistan invented out of the whole cloth an armed struggle aspect to the Kashmir situation. It's extremely convenient on your part to talk pointwise all the Pakistani talking points and yet avoid talking about the 90% causative factor in this entire mess.
vakataka 7y ago
FYI, Indian Muslims have their own personal law while the rest of the population follows uniform civil code. They get Hajj subsidies and other perks that no other community gets. As for taking refugees, a country can deny entry based on any number of reasons. In 2018, the number of refugees taken in by the US has gone down. That doesn't mean US is less secular. I agree Indian constitution is not the most secular but it definitely is not anti-minority.
- iamshs 7y ago
  Hindus are also given subsidies for travel to their religious sites, inside India and to China. Mansarovar Lake and Amarnath pilgrimage. So that is one propaganda point of yours busted. Let's bust the second point: Why are only Muslim refugees being expelled, and why is there a specific citizenship law that gives Indian citizenship to Hindus and excludes Muslims?
  - vakataka 7y ago
    That's a strawman argument. Even if what you say is true, are you proposing no communities other than minorities should get any perks? Also, do you have any reliable sources to back up your claims? Most of what you are saying seem to be just your opinions.
    - iamshs 7y ago
      So why did you bring up subsidy as an argument for Muslims? Was that not a strawman? Every single thing I said in this thread can be googled. Nothing in here is my opinion by an established fact. And facts can hurt because they ain't easy to counter. So go Google it, I ain't doing your homework for you.
      - vakataka 7y ago
        I can say the same thing and just dismiss all your points. You are creating false equivalence between Hajj and amarnath. The Indian government controls all Hindu temples and derives revenue. So what is the problem in subsidizing these when the profit from these sites is used up within the country? On the other hand, Hajj spending goes out of the country and is a dead investment. And mind you, only Hindu institutions come under government purview by law. None of the minority institutions are touched.
        iamshs 7y ago
        Dismiss them all you want, I am setting your propaganda straight. There ain't no false equivalence there. Subsidy for religious pilgrimage for Hindus and Muslims exists, and you cherry picked Muslim subsidy only and I set it straight. So Hindu pilgrimage subsidy is acceptable because the money is spent inside India? Taxpayer money is still being spent on a religious cause and Mansarovar is in China and not India.
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cmonnow 7y ago
If India is so secular, why is polygamy allowed for Muslims, but not Hindus ? Equal treatment does not mean same treatment. A doctor treats both men & women equally, so he gives the woman estrogen and the man testosterone. Would you prefer it if the doctor gave everyone estrogen ?

nashashmi 7y ago

Secular in name only. The current party has been anti minority with significant frequency and protectionist of hindu beliefs. It is the reason why Kashmir never merged with the rest of India.

cscurmudgeon 7y ago
Stop spreading falsehoods and partial truths: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Exodus_of_Kashmiri_Hindus
kbad1000 7y ago
Literally religion had nothing to do with abolishment of article 370. India is secular and this government is much more secular than any Congress coalition in the past few decades. NDA government is not a appeasement government.
sbmthakur 7y ago
> Secular in name only. The current party has been anti minority with significant frequency and protectionist of hindu beliefs And yet the current Government has increased minority affairs budget substantially over the years[1]. 1. https://m.timesofindia.com/business/india-business/62-increase-in-funding-for-minority-affairs-in-union-budget/articleshow/62742314.cms https://m.timesofindia.com/business/india-business/62-increa...

whenchamenia 7y ago

Lol. Lets just say it thus; In the usa we have freedom of religion, but a minority of religions have a majority of special rights. The same is true for India.