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> Feel free to go through them yourself if you don't believe me. I didn't so I did. I checked the first thirty listed in the Wikipedia article. Of those, only

by brmgb 7y ago

> Feel free to go through them yourself if you don't believe me. I didn't so I did. I checked the first thirty listed in the Wikipedia article. Of those, only 8 have been developed in the USA including one developed by the American branch of a Swiss company. That's merely 26%. Not insignificant but quite far from 80%. After a quick sampling of the rest I would be surprised if the exact proportion is above a third.

malandrew 7y ago
I just went through the first 24 and you couldn't possibly have gone through the first 30 since I hit 8 drugs developed in the US in the first 20. So you're clearly lying about fact checking my statement. 11 were developed in the US and one more was introduced to western medicine by an American traveling. And if you only include drugs developed in the last 100 years, of which there are 14, 10 were developed in the United States, so 71%. What has the rest of the World been doing for the last century? Halothane - England (1956) Isoflurane - United States (1979) Nitrous Oxide - England (1772) Oxygen - N/A Ketamine - United States (1966) Propofol - United States (1989) Bupivacaine - Sweden (1957) Lidocaine - Sweden (1885) Ephedrine - China (?, introduced to western medicine by an American traveling to China) Atropine - Germany (1833) Midazolam - United States (1976) Morphine - Germany (1803) Aspirin - France (1853) Ibuprofen England (1953) Paracetamol - United States (1877) Codeine - France (1832) Fentanyl - United States (1960) Methadone - Germany (1937) Amitriptyline - United States (1960) Cyclizine - United States (1947) Dexamethasone - United States (1957) Diazepam - United States (1959) Docusate - ??? Fluoxetine - United States (1972) It's ridiculous how hard it is to figure out where most of these were developed. When I first went through the WHO list, I did so in reverse by year of discovery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_by_year_of_discovery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_by_year_of_disco...
- brmgb 7y ago
  Except Propofol was discovered by a Scot working for a British pharma in the 70s and Fentanyl was discovered by a Belgian working for a Belgian pharma. I stopped checking again at this point. As a reminder your first claim was 80% of the list. I think your reliability has clearly been established at this point.
  - malandrew 7y ago
    ~80% in reverse chronological order by year of discovery. Just went through the list of drugs developed in the 21st century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_by_year_of_discovery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_by_year_of_disco... Except for Alectinib, which was developed in Japan, 13 of the 14 drugs developed in the 21st century for example have been developed in the United States: That's 93%. Again what has the rest of the World been doing? So 9 by the 24th in the list not 30, so your reliability has also been established.

by brmgb 7y ago

malandrew 7y ago

I just went through the first 24 and you couldn't possibly have gone through the first 30 since I hit 8 drugs developed in the US in the first 20. So you're clearly lying about fact checking my statement. 11 were developed in the US and one more was introduced to western medicine by an American traveling. And if you only include drugs developed in the last 100 years, of which there are 14, 10 were developed in the United States, so 71%. What has the rest of the World been doing for the last century? Halothane - England (1956) Isoflurane - United States (1979) Nitrous Oxide - England (1772) Oxygen - N/A Ketamine - United States (1966) Propofol - United States (1989) Bupivacaine - Sweden (1957) Lidocaine - Sweden (1885) Ephedrine - China (?, introduced to western medicine by an American traveling to China) Atropine - Germany (1833) Midazolam - United States (1976) Morphine - Germany (1803) Aspirin - France (1853) Ibuprofen England (1953) Paracetamol - United States (1877) Codeine - France (1832) Fentanyl - United States (1960) Methadone - Germany (1937) Amitriptyline - United States (1960) Cyclizine - United States (1947) Dexamethasone - United States (1957) Diazepam - United States (1959) Docusate - ??? Fluoxetine - United States (1972) It's ridiculous how hard it is to figure out where most of these were developed. When I first went through the WHO list, I did so in reverse by year of discovery: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_by_year_of_discovery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_by_year_of_disco...

brmgb 7y ago
Except Propofol was discovered by a Scot working for a British pharma in the 70s and Fentanyl was discovered by a Belgian working for a Belgian pharma. I stopped checking again at this point. As a reminder your first claim was 80% of the list. I think your reliability has clearly been established at this point.
- malandrew 7y ago
  ~80% in reverse chronological order by year of discovery. Just went through the list of drugs developed in the 21st century: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_by_year_of_discovery https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_drugs_by_year_of_disco... Except for Alectinib, which was developed in Japan, 13 of the 14 drugs developed in the 21st century for example have been developed in the United States: That's 93%. Again what has the rest of the World been doing? So 9 by the 24th in the list not 30, so your reliability has also been established.