> Freedom and security are at odds with each other, though. No, they are not. > If you’re free to own guns, you’re not free from someone else owning guns and

> Freedom and security are at odds with each other, though. No, they are not. > If you’re free to own guns, you’re not free from someone else owning guns and shooting you with one. Or in other words: Different freedoms are at odds with each other. > If you’re free to drive a car, you’re not free from someone else who drives a car not running into you and killing you. Or in other words: Different freedoms are at odds with each other. You might as well be saying that if you are not free to own guns, you are not secure from having your guns taken away. None of that is fundamentally about security vs. freedom, it is only about conflicts between different freedoms that have to be weighed against each other. Arbitrarily labeling one of those freedoms as "security" is a lie. > The only protection from guns and cars is universal disallowment of guns and cars and the immediate catching and ban of all people that begin the process of creating or thinking about guns or cars. No, it's not. The only protection from guns and cars is to have everyone agree that owning guns is bad, so noone does, or that owning cars is bad, so noone does, or whatever. The moment you suggest "catching and banning", you are talking about giving some people guns so that they can use them to force others to get rid of their guns, and that is the moment where everyone is at risk of being shot at using one of those guns, be it by mistake, due to corruption, oe whatever the reason might be, so obviously you are not "protected from guns". That is exactly the authoritarian propaganda lie that I was talking about. There is nothing inherently secure about giving some group of people power, no matter for what purpose you do it. Giving people power is a danger. It's a danger that may be well-justified due to the other dangers that you might be able to control this way, but it is always a danger. It is always about weighing one danger against another, about weighing one freedom against another--framing it as "security vs. freedom" is an authoritarian propaganda lie that tries to convince you that one of those dangers isn't a danger by mislabeling it as "security".