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Absolute repeat of what happened in 1984 against Sikhs in Punjab. Play by Play. This is just the start of worse for Kashmir unfortunately. The young ones are in

by iamshs 7y ago

Absolute repeat of what happened in 1984 against Sikhs in Punjab. Play by Play. This is just the start of worse for Kashmir unfortunately. The young ones are in for a brutal ride especially. And no one will listen, as they are not Upper caste Hindus.

selimthegrim 7y ago
This is why Amarinder Singh was first to condemn it
- mandeepj 7y ago
  Amarinder is from opposition party so he had to condemn it
  - selimthegrim 7y ago
    Are people not allowed to have opinions independent of their party now? There were plenty of Congresspeople who broke ranks and supported it. The opposition LS whips doing so is sad and frightening.
    - sbmthakur 7y ago
      > The opposition LS whips doing so is sad and frightening. Doesn't this comment contrast your first statement.
      - selimthegrim 7y ago
        No it just means I don’t like it.
- iamshs 7y ago
  Amarinder Singh has not condemned Indian communication lockdown or curfew and ensuing brutalities, he only condemned breaking of state into two Union Territories in an unconstitutional way. He is the same guy who supported Indian Army when they tied an innocent Kashmiri in front of a jeep and paraded him into town. His approach is very wily.
eklavya 7y ago
How are sikhs worse in Punjab now? The 1984 riots were perpetrated by the same people who are opposing this move.
- iamshs 7y ago
  Indian Army's official publication, Baatcheet, asked for "Sikhs to be reported to authorities as they are dangerous criminals" in 1990. After such a blanket generalisation, Sikhs were indeed reported to authorities, and killed extra-judiciously. Mothers came to know what happened to their sons through newspapers replete with a photo of a cop getting bounty alongside the article branding her son as a militant. Just last month, 3 policemen were convicted of one such extrajudicial killing, and they were all pardoned by Punjab governor. Same governor attended a convocation ceremony where a student handed him a letter protesting the pardon of criminals, and the student was instead issued a show-cause notice of why a guest was humiliated. So nothing, it's all hunky dory in Punjab right now. BTW, this is a classic Hindu Nationalist propaganda move. Justify past excesses, whitewash them by saying everything is pleasant in the present. Also, use an ad-hominem and paint the other as an opponent instantly.
  - eklavya 7y ago
    Wow, you are on hyper drive in the entire thread. When what how did you come to the conclusions from my post? What exactly made me a propagandist? You have got to be kidding with Sikh regiment being one of the most valiant branches of Indian Army and a really high number of Indian Army soldiers per capita from Punjab. There was Pakistan sponsored terrorism in Punjab, there isn't anymore. Also citation needed for everything you said.
    - iamshs 7y ago
      I am countering propaganda, because this is personal for me. I cannot see an entire people silenced just because they are minorities, to be used to please the majority. And Sikh regiment officers and privates mutinied too when they heard of Indian Army attack on Darbar Sahib, Amritsar (Sikh Golden temple). India changed recruitment policies for these regiments soon after. Source: Understanding India's Counter-Rebellion Strategies during the Punjab Crisis - Philip Hultquist See in all the glory how Indian Government victimized Sikhs, and blatantly Indian Army asked for Sikhs to be reported to authorities, as they are dangerous people who commit arson and murder.
sbmthakur 7y ago
I don't see any parallel. Khalistani separatism happened because Bhindranwale was propped by the Congress party to gain electoral giains. Who do you think the BJP has propped up now?
- iamshs 7y ago
  Hindu Nationalist, BJP is quelling democracy the same exact way. Minorities curfewed and muted to satisfy lust of majority. Nobody allowed to protest, and children as young as 11 jailed without charges. Same exact type of extra-judicial killings and molestation of women. Worse, state controlled India media being used as a weapon to justify all the excesses to the Indian masses. Manufacturing consent. It don't matter you cannot get Asthma medicine or Insulin, but believe is this all will help you in the end. What a democracy to look up to.
  - sbmthakur 7y ago
    > Hindu Nationalist, BJP is quelling democracy the same exact way. Minorities curfewed and muted to satisfy lust of majority. Minorities are not curfew anywhere in India. In Kashmir, Muslims are in majority. > Nobody allowed to protest, and children as young as 11 jailed without charges. Same exact type of extra-judicial killings and molestation of women. I don't recall that happening after the curfew was put in place. Could you share some news reports? > Worse, state controlled India media being used as a weapon to justify all the excesses to the Indian masses. Manufacturing consent. I haven't seen DD News justifying anything. They're just reporting what they're seeing.

by iamshs 7y ago

selimthegrim 7y ago

This is why Amarinder Singh was first to condemn it

mandeepj 7y ago
Amarinder is from opposition party so he had to condemn it
- selimthegrim 7y ago
  Are people not allowed to have opinions independent of their party now? There were plenty of Congresspeople who broke ranks and supported it. The opposition LS whips doing so is sad and frightening.
  - sbmthakur 7y ago
    > The opposition LS whips doing so is sad and frightening. Doesn't this comment contrast your first statement.
    - selimthegrim 7y ago
      No it just means I don’t like it.
iamshs 7y ago
Amarinder Singh has not condemned Indian communication lockdown or curfew and ensuing brutalities, he only condemned breaking of state into two Union Territories in an unconstitutional way. He is the same guy who supported Indian Army when they tied an innocent Kashmiri in front of a jeep and paraded him into town. His approach is very wily.

eklavya 7y ago

How are sikhs worse in Punjab now? The 1984 riots were perpetrated by the same people who are opposing this move.

iamshs 7y ago
Indian Army's official publication, Baatcheet, asked for "Sikhs to be reported to authorities as they are dangerous criminals" in 1990. After such a blanket generalisation, Sikhs were indeed reported to authorities, and killed extra-judiciously. Mothers came to know what happened to their sons through newspapers replete with a photo of a cop getting bounty alongside the article branding her son as a militant. Just last month, 3 policemen were convicted of one such extrajudicial killing, and they were all pardoned by Punjab governor. Same governor attended a convocation ceremony where a student handed him a letter protesting the pardon of criminals, and the student was instead issued a show-cause notice of why a guest was humiliated. So nothing, it's all hunky dory in Punjab right now. BTW, this is a classic Hindu Nationalist propaganda move. Justify past excesses, whitewash them by saying everything is pleasant in the present. Also, use an ad-hominem and paint the other as an opponent instantly.
- eklavya 7y ago
  Wow, you are on hyper drive in the entire thread. When what how did you come to the conclusions from my post? What exactly made me a propagandist? You have got to be kidding with Sikh regiment being one of the most valiant branches of Indian Army and a really high number of Indian Army soldiers per capita from Punjab. There was Pakistan sponsored terrorism in Punjab, there isn't anymore. Also citation needed for everything you said.
  - iamshs 7y ago
    I am countering propaganda, because this is personal for me. I cannot see an entire people silenced just because they are minorities, to be used to please the majority. And Sikh regiment officers and privates mutinied too when they heard of Indian Army attack on Darbar Sahib, Amritsar (Sikh Golden temple). India changed recruitment policies for these regiments soon after. Source: Understanding India's Counter-Rebellion Strategies during the Punjab Crisis - Philip Hultquist See in all the glory how Indian Government victimized Sikhs, and blatantly Indian Army asked for Sikhs to be reported to authorities, as they are dangerous people who commit arson and murder.

sbmthakur 7y ago

I don't see any parallel. Khalistani separatism happened because Bhindranwale was propped by the Congress party to gain electoral giains. Who do you think the BJP has propped up now?

iamshs 7y ago
Hindu Nationalist, BJP is quelling democracy the same exact way. Minorities curfewed and muted to satisfy lust of majority. Nobody allowed to protest, and children as young as 11 jailed without charges. Same exact type of extra-judicial killings and molestation of women. Worse, state controlled India media being used as a weapon to justify all the excesses to the Indian masses. Manufacturing consent. It don't matter you cannot get Asthma medicine or Insulin, but believe is this all will help you in the end. What a democracy to look up to.
- sbmthakur 7y ago
  > Hindu Nationalist, BJP is quelling democracy the same exact way. Minorities curfewed and muted to satisfy lust of majority. Minorities are not curfew anywhere in India. In Kashmir, Muslims are in majority. > Nobody allowed to protest, and children as young as 11 jailed without charges. Same exact type of extra-judicial killings and molestation of women. I don't recall that happening after the curfew was put in place. Could you share some news reports? > Worse, state controlled India media being used as a weapon to justify all the excesses to the Indian masses. Manufacturing consent. I haven't seen DD News justifying anything. They're just reporting what they're seeing.