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How do any of those meaningfully point to a war though? Again a war between whom? Assuming you're talking about the US pulling out of the INF treaty, that's no

How do any of those meaningfully point to a war though? Again a war between whom? Assuming you're talking about the US pulling out of the INF treaty, that's not really a meaningful change. The Russians and various other countries were already largely ignoring it. Russia's territorial shenanigans are what really cemented the idea that we're not fighting a major super-power to super-power war ever again. The West has largely let it happen, and while I don't understand why, at this point it's hard to see why that would change. US troops have been in Europe for a long time. Whether you saw them more or less in the past, troop levels there haven't changed that much.

paganel 7y ago
> US troops have been in Europe for a long time. They haven't been in Romania, which is, like I said, a stone-throw away from Russia. And they started showing up after the start of the conflict in Ukraine. > Assuming you're talking about the US pulling out of the INF treaty, that's not really a meaningful change. The Russians and various other countries were already largely ignoring it. That's not my understanding of it, at least not when it involves Russia (China is another story). > Russia's territorial shenanigans are what really cemented the idea that we're not fighting a major super-power to super-power war ever again Not sure how that follows. When you have nuclear weapons that you can launch from anywhere at anytime you are a super-power. The US and Russia are 100% military super-powers because they can basically annihilate each other at a moment's notice. I'd add China to the list, probably the UK and France too (not sure if France has nuclear submarines, though, too lazy to check right now). Even though Israel has nuclear weapons I don't treat it as a military super-power because of its lack of nuclear submarines or IBCMs. The same goes for Pakistan and India.
- mlindner 7y ago
  > They haven't been in Romania, which is, like I said, a stone-throw away from Russia. And they started showing up after the start of the conflict in Ukraine. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/romania.htm https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/romania.htm They have been, in fact.
  - paganel 7y ago
    Not on the actual highways and not me having to surpass US military convoys more than once. Yeah, pre-2014 I used to see US soldiers quite often at the Bucharest international airport, they were on or off their trips to either Iraq or Afghanistan (we’re talking mostly 2007-2010) but sure as hell there weren’t US soldiers in the actual Romanian crop fields, like in here [1] . But feel free to hit me with Internet links, while I’m talking about stuff happening a hour drive’s away from where I’m writing this comment. And if it matters those US soldiers shouldn’t have ended up in those grain fields, it was an error of communication. In any case, I told my parents that were they to see US armed vehicles in their field they should just let them pass, no reason to make a fuss. https://youtu.be/LGoTu36HDVs https://youtu.be/LGoTu36HDVs

paganel 7y ago

> US troops have been in Europe for a long time. They haven't been in Romania, which is, like I said, a stone-throw away from Russia. And they started showing up after the start of the conflict in Ukraine. > Assuming you're talking about the US pulling out of the INF treaty, that's not really a meaningful change. The Russians and various other countries were already largely ignoring it. That's not my understanding of it, at least not when it involves Russia (China is another story). > Russia's territorial shenanigans are what really cemented the idea that we're not fighting a major super-power to super-power war ever again Not sure how that follows. When you have nuclear weapons that you can launch from anywhere at anytime you are a super-power. The US and Russia are 100% military super-powers because they can basically annihilate each other at a moment's notice. I'd add China to the list, probably the UK and France too (not sure if France has nuclear submarines, though, too lazy to check right now). Even though Israel has nuclear weapons I don't treat it as a military super-power because of its lack of nuclear submarines or IBCMs. The same goes for Pakistan and India.

mlindner 7y ago
> They haven't been in Romania, which is, like I said, a stone-throw away from Russia. And they started showing up after the start of the conflict in Ukraine. https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/romania.htm https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/facility/romania.htm They have been, in fact.
- paganel 7y ago
  Not on the actual highways and not me having to surpass US military convoys more than once. Yeah, pre-2014 I used to see US soldiers quite often at the Bucharest international airport, they were on or off their trips to either Iraq or Afghanistan (we’re talking mostly 2007-2010) but sure as hell there weren’t US soldiers in the actual Romanian crop fields, like in here [1] . But feel free to hit me with Internet links, while I’m talking about stuff happening a hour drive’s away from where I’m writing this comment. And if it matters those US soldiers shouldn’t have ended up in those grain fields, it was an error of communication. In any case, I told my parents that were they to see US armed vehicles in their field they should just let them pass, no reason to make a fuss. https://youtu.be/LGoTu36HDVs https://youtu.be/LGoTu36HDVs