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Here's a start, it is from Project Veritas, a known bad actor. The Google employee in specific has a history of Q conspiracy theories and anti-semitism. Neither

by SEJeff 7y ago

Here's a start, it is from Project Veritas, a known bad actor. The Google employee in specific has a history of Q conspiracy theories and anti-semitism. Neither of them seem very trustworthy. If it isn't very trustworthy, is it really news?

repolfx 7y ago
Yes, it's real news. Firstly, you can go look at the docs. They're clearly real. In fact everything from Veritas that I've seen leaked has been real. Secondly, such a major leak from a formerly leak-proof ship is itself news. Thirdly, the fact that this thread is filled with attempts (probably mostly by Googlers) to smear Veritas and this guy is itself frankly very interesting. Lots of messenger shooting going on here. It reminds me a lot of WikiLeaks: you can't stop people viewing the leaks so desperately claim Assange is a rapist who probably works for Putin, WikiLeaks is a "known bad actor", Snowden is a traitor who ran to Moscow etc. I feel like I've seen all this before.
- SEJeff 7y ago
  I'm not a googler, have never been, and never plan to be. I still don't trust Project Veritas, who have proven to not be legitimate or trustworthy on multiple well documented occasions. The docs might be real, but what if they've been altered (as some of the wikileaks dumps have been) or are missing critical parts? They've proven time and again they're not impartial, so I take everything they say with a very strong lens that they're full of it or have skewed reality to fit their ultra-conservative (dare I almost say alt-right) supporting agenda.
- pulisse 7y ago
  > the fact that this thread is filled with attempts (probably mostly by Googlers) to smear Veritas I'm not and never have been affiliated with Google. These claims about Project Veritas's reliability aren't smears. PV were literally caught on tape trying to plant false stories in the Washington Post.[1] That's not a matter of interpretation. They hired a woman to pretend to be someone else and make false sexual assault allegations against a Senate candidate. Nothing associated with them has credibility. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic--and-false--tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/0c2e335a-cfb6-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approa...
  - repolfx 7y ago
    You do know that journalists do stings quite frequently, yes? It's a very common tactic and frequently deployed against politicians, business people etc. So Veritas tried to do a sting on the WP and failed, so what? You're acting like it's immoral or implies untrustworthyness but it doesn't. I've never seen that be argued before. Perhaps journalists don't like the taste of their own medicine?
    - dragonwriter 7y ago
      Veritas doesn't just try to do stings, it actively misleadingly presents the evidence it gathers in them to push a pre-conceived political narrative. And before you pull out “but other people do that” argument again, yes, Veritas isn't alone in being a dishonest propaganda outfit, but other self-styled journalists, even those with established journalistic records, who are caught doing even much lesser versions of that get called out and drummed out of any even slightly reputable outlet in the industry in disgrace when that happens. That it's Veritas’ whole raison-d’être shows that Veritas Isn't a journalistic outfit, but simply a propaganda operation.
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by SEJeff 7y ago

repolfx 7y ago

Yes, it's real news. Firstly, you can go look at the docs. They're clearly real. In fact everything from Veritas that I've seen leaked has been real. Secondly, such a major leak from a formerly leak-proof ship is itself news. Thirdly, the fact that this thread is filled with attempts (probably mostly by Googlers) to smear Veritas and this guy is itself frankly very interesting. Lots of messenger shooting going on here. It reminds me a lot of WikiLeaks: you can't stop people viewing the leaks so desperately claim Assange is a rapist who probably works for Putin, WikiLeaks is a "known bad actor", Snowden is a traitor who ran to Moscow etc. I feel like I've seen all this before.

SEJeff 7y ago
I'm not a googler, have never been, and never plan to be. I still don't trust Project Veritas, who have proven to not be legitimate or trustworthy on multiple well documented occasions. The docs might be real, but what if they've been altered (as some of the wikileaks dumps have been) or are missing critical parts? They've proven time and again they're not impartial, so I take everything they say with a very strong lens that they're full of it or have skewed reality to fit their ultra-conservative (dare I almost say alt-right) supporting agenda.
pulisse 7y ago
> the fact that this thread is filled with attempts (probably mostly by Googlers) to smear Veritas I'm not and never have been affiliated with Google. These claims about Project Veritas's reliability aren't smears. PV were literally caught on tape trying to plant false stories in the Washington Post.[1] That's not a matter of interpretation. They hired a woman to pretend to be someone else and make false sexual assault allegations against a Senate candidate. Nothing associated with them has credibility. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic--and-false--tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/0c2e335a-cfb6-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approa...
- repolfx 7y ago
  You do know that journalists do stings quite frequently, yes? It's a very common tactic and frequently deployed against politicians, business people etc. So Veritas tried to do a sting on the WP and failed, so what? You're acting like it's immoral or implies untrustworthyness but it doesn't. I've never seen that be argued before. Perhaps journalists don't like the taste of their own medicine?
  - dragonwriter 7y ago
    Veritas doesn't just try to do stings, it actively misleadingly presents the evidence it gathers in them to push a pre-conceived political narrative. And before you pull out “but other people do that” argument again, yes, Veritas isn't alone in being a dishonest propaganda outfit, but other self-styled journalists, even those with established journalistic records, who are caught doing even much lesser versions of that get called out and drummed out of any even slightly reputable outlet in the industry in disgrace when that happens. That it's Veritas’ whole raison-d’être shows that Veritas Isn't a journalistic outfit, but simply a propaganda operation.
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