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Exactly, very creepy that this keeps getting flagged. Super interesting news about a company we wall work with. These are google employees and I want to hear wh

Exactly, very creepy that this keeps getting flagged. Super interesting news about a company we wall work with. These are google employees and I want to hear what they have to say, and talk about it with all of you, my unbiased HN friends.

colpabar 7y ago
All I want is a discussion.
- SEJeff 7y ago
  Here's a start, it is from Project Veritas, a known bad actor. The Google employee in specific has a history of Q conspiracy theories and anti-semitism. Neither of them seem very trustworthy. If it isn't very trustworthy, is it really news?
  - repolfx 7y ago
    Yes, it's real news. Firstly, you can go look at the docs. They're clearly real. In fact everything from Veritas that I've seen leaked has been real. Secondly, such a major leak from a formerly leak-proof ship is itself news. Thirdly, the fact that this thread is filled with attempts (probably mostly by Googlers) to smear Veritas and this guy is itself frankly very interesting. Lots of messenger shooting going on here. It reminds me a lot of WikiLeaks: you can't stop people viewing the leaks so desperately claim Assange is a rapist who probably works for Putin, WikiLeaks is a "known bad actor", Snowden is a traitor who ran to Moscow etc. I feel like I've seen all this before.
    - SEJeff 7y ago
      I'm not a googler, have never been, and never plan to be. I still don't trust Project Veritas, who have proven to not be legitimate or trustworthy on multiple well documented occasions. The docs might be real, but what if they've been altered (as some of the wikileaks dumps have been) or are missing critical parts? They've proven time and again they're not impartial, so I take everything they say with a very strong lens that they're full of it or have skewed reality to fit their ultra-conservative (dare I almost say alt-right) supporting agenda.
    - pulisse 7y ago
      > the fact that this thread is filled with attempts (probably mostly by Googlers) to smear Veritas I'm not and never have been affiliated with Google. These claims about Project Veritas's reliability aren't smears. PV were literally caught on tape trying to plant false stories in the Washington Post.[1] That's not a matter of interpretation. They hired a woman to pretend to be someone else and make false sexual assault allegations against a Senate candidate. Nothing associated with them has credibility. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic--and-false--tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/0c2e335a-cfb6-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approa...
      - repolfx 7y ago
        You do know that journalists do stings quite frequently, yes? It's a very common tactic and frequently deployed against politicians, business people etc. So Veritas tried to do a sting on the WP and failed, so what? You're acting like it's immoral or implies untrustworthyness but it doesn't. I've never seen that be argued before. Perhaps journalists don't like the taste of their own medicine?
        dragonwriter 7y ago
        Veritas doesn't just try to do stings, it actively misleadingly presents the evidence it gathers in them to push a pre-conceived political narrative. And before you pull out “but other people do that” argument again, yes, Veritas isn't alone in being a dishonest propaganda outfit, but other self-styled journalists, even those with established journalistic records, who are caught doing even much lesser versions of that get called out and drummed out of any even slightly reputable outlet in the industry in disgrace when that happens. That it's Veritas’ whole raison-d’être shows that Veritas Isn't a journalistic outfit, but simply a propaganda operation.
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- pwinnski 7y ago
  A discussion with veritas is guaranteed to feature lies, making it not a useful discussion.
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driverdan 7y ago
It's flagged because it's Project Veritas. They are not a reliable or trustworthy source.
- pcunite 7y ago
  I understand that, but these are Google employees. I am literally watching them tell me something. If you were Project Veritas, you would turn away a Google employee giving you inside info?
  - happytoexplain 7y ago
    You say it's creepy that it's being flagged, but also that you understand that the source is "not reliable or trustworthy". Can you clarify your concern?
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  - UncleMeat 7y ago
    Its becoming pretty clear that this Google employee is also untrustworthy from his twitter, which includes birtherism, qanon conspiracies, 9/11 trutherism, pizzagate conspiracies, and piles of antisemitism.
  - hsk823 7y ago
    Being that it came from this person? https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-okeefes-google-whistleblower-loves-qanon-accused-zionists-of-running-the-government https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-okeefes-google-whistlebl... Yes. Yes I would turn it away

colpabar 7y ago

All I want is a discussion.

SEJeff 7y ago
Here's a start, it is from Project Veritas, a known bad actor. The Google employee in specific has a history of Q conspiracy theories and anti-semitism. Neither of them seem very trustworthy. If it isn't very trustworthy, is it really news?
- repolfx 7y ago
  Yes, it's real news. Firstly, you can go look at the docs. They're clearly real. In fact everything from Veritas that I've seen leaked has been real. Secondly, such a major leak from a formerly leak-proof ship is itself news. Thirdly, the fact that this thread is filled with attempts (probably mostly by Googlers) to smear Veritas and this guy is itself frankly very interesting. Lots of messenger shooting going on here. It reminds me a lot of WikiLeaks: you can't stop people viewing the leaks so desperately claim Assange is a rapist who probably works for Putin, WikiLeaks is a "known bad actor", Snowden is a traitor who ran to Moscow etc. I feel like I've seen all this before.
  - SEJeff 7y ago
    I'm not a googler, have never been, and never plan to be. I still don't trust Project Veritas, who have proven to not be legitimate or trustworthy on multiple well documented occasions. The docs might be real, but what if they've been altered (as some of the wikileaks dumps have been) or are missing critical parts? They've proven time and again they're not impartial, so I take everything they say with a very strong lens that they're full of it or have skewed reality to fit their ultra-conservative (dare I almost say alt-right) supporting agenda.
  - pulisse 7y ago
    > the fact that this thread is filled with attempts (probably mostly by Googlers) to smear Veritas I'm not and never have been affiliated with Google. These claims about Project Veritas's reliability aren't smears. PV were literally caught on tape trying to plant false stories in the Washington Post.[1] That's not a matter of interpretation. They hired a woman to pretend to be someone else and make false sexual assault allegations against a Senate candidate. Nothing associated with them has credibility. [1] https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approached-the-post-with-dramatic--and-false--tale-about-roy-moore-sje-appears-to-be-part-of-undercover-sting-operation/2017/11/27/0c2e335a-cfb6-11e7-9d3a-bcbe2af58c3a_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/investigations/a-woman-approa...
    - repolfx 7y ago
      You do know that journalists do stings quite frequently, yes? It's a very common tactic and frequently deployed against politicians, business people etc. So Veritas tried to do a sting on the WP and failed, so what? You're acting like it's immoral or implies untrustworthyness but it doesn't. I've never seen that be argued before. Perhaps journalists don't like the taste of their own medicine?
      - dragonwriter 7y ago
        Veritas doesn't just try to do stings, it actively misleadingly presents the evidence it gathers in them to push a pre-conceived political narrative. And before you pull out “but other people do that” argument again, yes, Veritas isn't alone in being a dishonest propaganda outfit, but other self-styled journalists, even those with established journalistic records, who are caught doing even much lesser versions of that get called out and drummed out of any even slightly reputable outlet in the industry in disgrace when that happens. That it's Veritas’ whole raison-d’être shows that Veritas Isn't a journalistic outfit, but simply a propaganda operation.
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pwinnski 7y ago
A discussion with veritas is guaranteed to feature lies, making it not a useful discussion.
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driverdan 7y ago

It's flagged because it's Project Veritas. They are not a reliable or trustworthy source.

pcunite 7y ago
I understand that, but these are Google employees. I am literally watching them tell me something. If you were Project Veritas, you would turn away a Google employee giving you inside info?
- happytoexplain 7y ago
  You say it's creepy that it's being flagged, but also that you understand that the source is "not reliable or trustworthy". Can you clarify your concern?
  - deleted 7y ago
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- UncleMeat 7y ago
  Its becoming pretty clear that this Google employee is also untrustworthy from his twitter, which includes birtherism, qanon conspiracies, 9/11 trutherism, pizzagate conspiracies, and piles of antisemitism.
- hsk823 7y ago
  Being that it came from this person? https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-okeefes-google-whistleblower-loves-qanon-accused-zionists-of-running-the-government https://www.thedailybeast.com/james-okeefes-google-whistlebl... Yes. Yes I would turn it away