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Where are you getting those wholesale prices from? Do you mean the price you can buy an unbranded generic version? Because that's not wholesale, you can't buy i

by ikeboy 7y ago

Where are you getting those wholesale prices from? Do you mean the price you can buy an unbranded generic version? Because that's not wholesale, you can't buy it and sell against a listing that's branded. In general the products that sell well will have a very competitive wholesale market and you'll be lucky to squeeze out 20% margin. It's certainly possible to get large margins in closeouts if you buy items that aren't popular, but it's difficult to scale that. And that's arguably liquidation anyway.

thaumasiotes 7y ago
I'm getting those wholesale prices from hengdadice.com, the same wholesaler those two merchants both use. Factory prices, we can only assume, are much lower. I don't know what you mean by "unbranded generic version". For reselling purposes, you can order a little card with a design of your choice on it (1 design total, 1 card per set of dice) from hengdadice.com, and both merchants I mentioned do that. That increases the wholesale price by a few cents. The dice themselves are unbranded in all cases.
- ikeboy 7y ago
  HDDais is trademarked. https://trademarks.justia.com/877/27/hddais-87727674.html https://trademarks.justia.com/877/27/hddais-87727674.html You can't sell on that listing legally, unless the goods were authorized by the brand owner. Wholesale would be buying directly from the brand owner, in this case which would be "Shenzhen Lichen Trade Co.,Ltd.". I don't know if they'd even sell you but if they did they'd definitely charge more than that.
  - jrochkind1 7y ago
    In the United States, you can resell any product you legally acquired from any source, you do not need the permission of the original producer/brand owner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
    - ikeboy 7y ago
      No, but it needs to have been previously owned by the brand owner. You can't buy directly from the factory without the brand's permission. That's counterfeiting. From your link: "this same doctrine enables reselling of trademarked products after the trademark holder put the products on the market." In other words, it must have been owned by the trademark holder at one point, and sold by them into the market.
      - jrochkind1 7y ago
        If you identify it with that trademark, ok, maybe that's new to me but seems plausible. You can sell it without mentioning the trademark though.
        ikeboy 7y ago
        We're talking about selling on an Amazon listing which has the trademark on it, which isn't allowed. That's what I originally pointed out - that the wholesale price wasn't relevant because it's not for the trademarked product.
        zaroth 7y ago
        ... and this is why it's impossible to trust the provenance of anything you buy on Amazon!
      - KaoruAoiShiho 7y ago
        The factory is the owner of the brand.
        ikeboy 7y ago
        Not as far as I can tell in this case. I listed the brand owner above, which seems to have no connection with the wholesaler mentioned. The brand owner is a trading company, and buys from factories, but is not a factory itself.

by ikeboy 7y ago

thaumasiotes 7y ago

I'm getting those wholesale prices from hengdadice.com, the same wholesaler those two merchants both use. Factory prices, we can only assume, are much lower. I don't know what you mean by "unbranded generic version". For reselling purposes, you can order a little card with a design of your choice on it (1 design total, 1 card per set of dice) from hengdadice.com, and both merchants I mentioned do that. That increases the wholesale price by a few cents. The dice themselves are unbranded in all cases.

ikeboy 7y ago
HDDais is trademarked. https://trademarks.justia.com/877/27/hddais-87727674.html https://trademarks.justia.com/877/27/hddais-87727674.html You can't sell on that listing legally, unless the goods were authorized by the brand owner. Wholesale would be buying directly from the brand owner, in this case which would be "Shenzhen Lichen Trade Co.,Ltd.". I don't know if they'd even sell you but if they did they'd definitely charge more than that.
- jrochkind1 7y ago
  In the United States, you can resell any product you legally acquired from any source, you do not need the permission of the original producer/brand owner. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First-sale_doctrine
  - ikeboy 7y ago
    No, but it needs to have been previously owned by the brand owner. You can't buy directly from the factory without the brand's permission. That's counterfeiting. From your link: "this same doctrine enables reselling of trademarked products after the trademark holder put the products on the market." In other words, it must have been owned by the trademark holder at one point, and sold by them into the market.
    - jrochkind1 7y ago
      If you identify it with that trademark, ok, maybe that's new to me but seems plausible. You can sell it without mentioning the trademark though.
      - ikeboy 7y ago
        We're talking about selling on an Amazon listing which has the trademark on it, which isn't allowed. That's what I originally pointed out - that the wholesale price wasn't relevant because it's not for the trademarked product.
        zaroth 7y ago
        ... and this is why it's impossible to trust the provenance of anything you buy on Amazon!
    - KaoruAoiShiho 7y ago
      The factory is the owner of the brand.
      - ikeboy 7y ago
        Not as far as I can tell in this case. I listed the brand owner above, which seems to have no connection with the wholesaler mentioned. The brand owner is a trading company, and buys from factories, but is not a factory itself.