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>that means you might be happy and placated Maybe some people do fine with that, even though to some other people perspective they call it illusion. I don't r
by matz1 7y ago
>that means you might be happy and placated
Maybe some people do fine with that, even though to some other people perspective they call it illusion.
I don't really care if my happiness is perceived as "illusion" by some other people as long as I my self consider it happy.
as long as these people still allowed to vote, its fine to me. They may vote for "stupid" decision but democracy should still allow for that.
- ben_w 7y agoThat’s not what I mean. When you have enough disinformation, democracy has no more effect than a video game — vote for the party that you think will lower taxes, they get in, taxes go up because that’s what they actually promised and you didn’t know.
- matz1 7y agoIn democracy, each party is free to influence/convince their voters. If you vote for lying politician then thats your failure and the failure of other politician to better convince their constituent.
- ben_w 7y ago“Your failure”? Do you believe you can spot disinformation with any reliability? When that misinformation constitutes the majority of all that you think you know about the issues you base your votes on?
- matz1 7y agoYes, it maybe be very very hard to sport disinformation but that's still my failure and the failure of other politician that fail to convince me. Not the failure of democracy.
- ben_w 7y agoIt is a limitation of democracy. It is a limitation of every possible system of decision making. That, by definition, is it not working fine.
- matz1 7y agoBut it is not the limitation of democracy. Whatever people end up vote for is not the concern of democracy. By definition democracy is merely a system where people exercise power by voting, it doesn't concern about the outcome. As long as people have the right to vote, it is a democracy. Its not the concern of democracy if the people vote for the "wrong" politician.
- ben_w 7y agoPeople don’t exercise power in this scenario.
- matz1 7y agoif they vote then they did exercise power (even if they vote for lying politician). If they are not allowed to vote then they didn't exercise power.
- ben_w 7y agoThere is no power to be exercised in this scenario. They can vote, but it is literally mere coincidence if anything related to their intentions occurs. It’s like typing onto a keyboard that isn’t plugged in. Or prayers to a non-existent deity. Voting ceases having anything to do with reality the moment reality stops having anything to do with the decision behind the vote. It is action without a discernible causal connection to the result. (Is it just me, or does our disagreement sound like two people arguing if a tree falling alone in a forest makes a noise, because one thinks “noise” is the vibration and the other thinks it is the qualia?)
- 7y ago