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A lot of people are stepping out to defend 4chan, but the article isn't about 4chan. It's a detail in the story. The story is that someone close to the situati

A lot of people are stepping out to defend 4chan, but the article isn't about 4chan. It's a detail in the story. The story is that someone close to the situation leaked details in violation of HIPAA on an internet message board. And from a correctional facility, no less. The whole thing is a mess. edit: spelling

maxerickson 7y ago
Prison rape is treated as a hilarious joke in the US. Why would you expect strict compliance with some dumb privacy law?
- one2zero 7y ago
  PREA was designed to reduce the number of prison rapes.
turtlegrids 7y ago
> HIPPA HIPAA
magduf 7y ago
>The story is that someone close to the situation leaked details in violation of HIPPA on an internet message board. >And from a correctional facility, no less. The whole thing is a mess. I don't really see the problem here. You can't expect adherence to the law, or even upholding of basic human rights, from a correctional facility in America. Just look at how migrants have been treated lately in "detention centers" (concentration camps). As the other responder said, prison rape is treated as a hilarious joke in the US, and is condoned by correctional staff, so why would you expect adherence to HIPAA?
rhacker 7y ago
Are they a hospital or a covered entity. I don't think HIPAA would apply to a federal lockup. Also death certificates are not covered by HIPAA and can't prevent the release of them. Even if this isn't a death certificate. If anything shady happened it wasn't a hipaa violation. It can still be shady, but not a hipaa violation.
DoreenMichele 7y ago
in violation of HIPPA HIPAA would cover healthcare in prison. It wouldn't cover, say, what prison guards can talk about. They may have other rules that indicate this is inappropriate, but HIPAA covers specific institutions, such as hospitals, medical personnel generally and health insurance. It doesn't actually cover anyone who ever learned anything about your health for some reason.
- 52-6F-62 7y ago
  I wasn't speculating on the content of the article so much as just speaking to what it's actually about when many commenters were focusing on the fact that 4chan was in the headline. I generally had otherwise considered correctional facilities to be rather mum—but it's a little different here in Canada.
  - DoreenMichele 7y ago
    Your general point is accurate. It's generally not acceptable to leak such info. But this is only a HIPAA violation if it was leaked by medical personnel (or some other covered entity). At this time, we don't know who leaked it, so we don't know that HIPAA applies. The article suggests it probably doesn't. It was apparently reviewed and found to be some third party, not EMS personnel.
    - 52-6F-62 7y ago
      This is a side question to your points—and completely hypothetical for my own curiosity: In this case would a guard leaning into the cell, watching and listening to the revival or treatment attempts by EMT personnel and leaking that information approach these laws in anyway? For instance if Epstein was living and being treated but on the verge of death and the EMT staff didn't make any attempts to prevent spectators who proceeded to leak the information— who would be at fault in such a case? Or does that also fall outside of HIPAA in the US?
      - DoreenMichele 7y ago

maxerickson 7y ago

Prison rape is treated as a hilarious joke in the US. Why would you expect strict compliance with some dumb privacy law?

one2zero 7y ago
PREA was designed to reduce the number of prison rapes.

turtlegrids 7y ago

> HIPPA HIPAA

magduf 7y ago

>The story is that someone close to the situation leaked details in violation of HIPPA on an internet message board. >And from a correctional facility, no less. The whole thing is a mess. I don't really see the problem here. You can't expect adherence to the law, or even upholding of basic human rights, from a correctional facility in America. Just look at how migrants have been treated lately in "detention centers" (concentration camps). As the other responder said, prison rape is treated as a hilarious joke in the US, and is condoned by correctional staff, so why would you expect adherence to HIPAA?

rhacker 7y ago

Are they a hospital or a covered entity. I don't think HIPAA would apply to a federal lockup. Also death certificates are not covered by HIPAA and can't prevent the release of them. Even if this isn't a death certificate. If anything shady happened it wasn't a hipaa violation. It can still be shady, but not a hipaa violation.

DoreenMichele 7y ago

in violation of HIPPA HIPAA would cover healthcare in prison. It wouldn't cover, say, what prison guards can talk about. They may have other rules that indicate this is inappropriate, but HIPAA covers specific institutions, such as hospitals, medical personnel generally and health insurance. It doesn't actually cover anyone who ever learned anything about your health for some reason.

52-6F-62 7y ago
I wasn't speculating on the content of the article so much as just speaking to what it's actually about when many commenters were focusing on the fact that 4chan was in the headline. I generally had otherwise considered correctional facilities to be rather mum—but it's a little different here in Canada.
- DoreenMichele 7y ago
  Your general point is accurate. It's generally not acceptable to leak such info. But this is only a HIPAA violation if it was leaked by medical personnel (or some other covered entity). At this time, we don't know who leaked it, so we don't know that HIPAA applies. The article suggests it probably doesn't. It was apparently reviewed and found to be some third party, not EMS personnel.
  - 52-6F-62 7y ago
    This is a side question to your points—and completely hypothetical for my own curiosity: In this case would a guard leaning into the cell, watching and listening to the revival or treatment attempts by EMT personnel and leaking that information approach these laws in anyway? For instance if Epstein was living and being treated but on the verge of death and the EMT staff didn't make any attempts to prevent spectators who proceeded to leak the information— who would be at fault in such a case? Or does that also fall outside of HIPAA in the US?
    - DoreenMichele 7y ago