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> Why do people earn only 5k after tax ? It's not clear what your point of reference is. If you're wondering why it's much lower than in the US (where the 90-p
by em500 7y ago
> Why do people earn only 5k after tax ?
It's not clear what your point of reference is. If you're wondering why it's much lower than in the US (where the 90-percentile household is probably around 170k USD pre-tax or 9k-10k post-tax), there are many many factors that contribute to the difference. The most important ones (unordered) are IMO:
- USD is probably overvalued by 15%-20% [1].
In the past 10 years, the EUR/USD rate fluctuated between 1.05 and 1.55, currently it's 1.12. It's unlikely that the relative living standards between the US and Germany fluctuated as much as 50% in this period, so a lot of the nominal incomes differences are not real.
- Americans work 30% more hours than Germans [2]
These two factors can explain most of the pre-tax income differences.
The net difference is a bit higher still, due to higher taxes/mandatory payments. I don't have references at hand, but at the €100k level, take-home pay is around 60%-62% of gross, while for an American at $112k it's closer to 70% (federal, state and payroll). No comment about justness, proper accounting for transfers, subsidies, other taxes, mandatory insurances, etc. This is a huge sprawling debate topic, but it's indisputable that disposable income at the same gross is higher in the US than in Europe. IMO, the first 2 factors accounting for differences in gross incomes are more important anyway.
A fairly mainstream economic theory is that the higher European (marginal) taxes are actually a major cause of the lower working hours (and hence lower personal income) [3]. The highest marginal rates actually don't differ that much (typically around 50% in Europe, 45% federal+state in the US), but in Europe the higher rates typically kick in at much lower levels: US marginal rate at $100k is probably around 30%, whereas in many European countries it's already in the 40%+ bracket.
[1] https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-11/trump-has-a-point-the-euro-is-22-too-cheap-using-oecd-measure https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-06-11/trump-has...
[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_annual_labor_hours_in_OECD_countries https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_annual_labor_h...
[3] https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB109830788286551061 https://www.wsj.com/articles/SB109830788286551061
- hef19898 7y agoAlso don't forget that, at least in Germany, after tax in casual conversation usually means net salaries after stuff like social security, health care, etc... Which might also explain some of the difference.
- novok 7y agoIt's fairly similar for americans too, but most people talk about pre-tax incomes vs. post tax, health insurance & 401k deductions, money in my bank account amounts.