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Saying that talking about a book is meaningful but talking to a person about their life, is not is immature inferiority-complex bigotry.

celticmusic 7y ago
I would much rather have a conversation about Liu Cixin's dark forest idea than to learn about someone's snotty kid. I guess color me immature with an inferiority-complex bigotry.
- csilverman 7y ago
  I agree. I can enjoy both, but I get a particular energy out of discussing ideas. Small talk about one's life or vacation is less interesting/energizing to me. And that's okay. I'm not sure why this had to involve a sermon on immaturity and—of all things—bigotry.
  - celticmusic 7y ago
    If you haven't done it, check out wandering earth on netflix, it's based off of a short story by him. I didn't know that going in and about halfway through I remember thinking China must have a lot of amazing Chinese sci-fi writers because the ideas in the movie reminded me of the vastness of Liu Cixin. Then afterwards I look up more info and find out it's based off of a short story of his. Of course it is, lol. Great movie.
- newswasboring 7y ago
  I feel like that is immature. You're implying that a conversation about the kids cannot be pleasurable and informative. I recently moved to an all women team (running joke was that I was a diversity hire) and the kind of things they need to do to prepare for pregnancy blew my mind. When my colleagues talk about their kids asking weird questions and putting their parents in weird situations it's as stimulating a puzzle to solve as any of the philosophical masterbation.
  - celticmusic 7y ago
    For you, not me. I don't really care what these women have to do to prepare for pregnancy. but here's the secret. I also didn't call you immature, or a bigot for being interested in things that I am not. However, this is the second time now that someone has denigrated another person for having different interests, calling it philosophical masturbation. Which tells me that while I may not be as interested in seeking out conversations about people's children, I probably get along with more people than you do (ironically enough...) because I'm more accepting of the differences between other people and myself. Or who knows, maybe it takes immaturity to avoid denigrating others for their interests.
nicoburns 7y ago
> Saying that talking about a book is meaningful but talking to a person about their life, is not is immature inferiority-complex bigotry. I would include talking to a person about their life as meaningful conversation. But lot's of extraverts like to chatter about nothing at all. Like, they literally cannot let there be a silence. (because it helps them think / keeps them stimulated). To introverts that's infuriating, because they can't think while the chatter is happening, and they are over-stimulated.
- logfromblammo 7y ago
  I am infuriated when someone starts pushing priority-preserving NULL tokens at me non-stop. It's even more infuriating when I have to do linguistic analysis calculations to reduce all those possible content-carrying strings down to to disappointing priority-preserving NULL tokens. I love priority-preserving pauses, maybe even with explicit priority-yielding tokens, but there are so many people that just take any pause in the conversation as their opportunity to seize priority and keep it, and this is what produces the culture of babblers and chatterers. Silence is a resource devoured by the tragedy of the commons. Some people need you to shut up, in order to think their own thoughts. And when they are not allowed to stop and think, they get angry and frustrated with you. So pause. Take a breath. Take another breath. When that silence starts to get uncomfortable for you, that other person is still assembling their meaningful contribution to the conversation into a sentence. Hold it just a few more seconds... aaand... let them speak.
  - heavenlyblue 7y ago
    I mean, the same people would probably say that trying to imitate a robot in own speech is a sign of not being as intelligent as you think you are.
    - logfromblammo 7y ago
      But you are not one of those people, and you are not definitely saying that? So what exactly are you saying?
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celticmusic 7y ago

I would much rather have a conversation about Liu Cixin's dark forest idea than to learn about someone's snotty kid. I guess color me immature with an inferiority-complex bigotry.

csilverman 7y ago
I agree. I can enjoy both, but I get a particular energy out of discussing ideas. Small talk about one's life or vacation is less interesting/energizing to me. And that's okay. I'm not sure why this had to involve a sermon on immaturity and—of all things—bigotry.
- celticmusic 7y ago
  If you haven't done it, check out wandering earth on netflix, it's based off of a short story by him. I didn't know that going in and about halfway through I remember thinking China must have a lot of amazing Chinese sci-fi writers because the ideas in the movie reminded me of the vastness of Liu Cixin. Then afterwards I look up more info and find out it's based off of a short story of his. Of course it is, lol. Great movie.
newswasboring 7y ago
I feel like that is immature. You're implying that a conversation about the kids cannot be pleasurable and informative. I recently moved to an all women team (running joke was that I was a diversity hire) and the kind of things they need to do to prepare for pregnancy blew my mind. When my colleagues talk about their kids asking weird questions and putting their parents in weird situations it's as stimulating a puzzle to solve as any of the philosophical masterbation.
- celticmusic 7y ago
  For you, not me. I don't really care what these women have to do to prepare for pregnancy. but here's the secret. I also didn't call you immature, or a bigot for being interested in things that I am not. However, this is the second time now that someone has denigrated another person for having different interests, calling it philosophical masturbation. Which tells me that while I may not be as interested in seeking out conversations about people's children, I probably get along with more people than you do (ironically enough...) because I'm more accepting of the differences between other people and myself. Or who knows, maybe it takes immaturity to avoid denigrating others for their interests.

nicoburns 7y ago

> Saying that talking about a book is meaningful but talking to a person about their life, is not is immature inferiority-complex bigotry. I would include talking to a person about their life as meaningful conversation. But lot's of extraverts like to chatter about nothing at all. Like, they literally cannot let there be a silence. (because it helps them think / keeps them stimulated). To introverts that's infuriating, because they can't think while the chatter is happening, and they are over-stimulated.

logfromblammo 7y ago
I am infuriated when someone starts pushing priority-preserving NULL tokens at me non-stop. It's even more infuriating when I have to do linguistic analysis calculations to reduce all those possible content-carrying strings down to to disappointing priority-preserving NULL tokens. I love priority-preserving pauses, maybe even with explicit priority-yielding tokens, but there are so many people that just take any pause in the conversation as their opportunity to seize priority and keep it, and this is what produces the culture of babblers and chatterers. Silence is a resource devoured by the tragedy of the commons. Some people need you to shut up, in order to think their own thoughts. And when they are not allowed to stop and think, they get angry and frustrated with you. So pause. Take a breath. Take another breath. When that silence starts to get uncomfortable for you, that other person is still assembling their meaningful contribution to the conversation into a sentence. Hold it just a few more seconds... aaand... let them speak.
- heavenlyblue 7y ago
  I mean, the same people would probably say that trying to imitate a robot in own speech is a sign of not being as intelligent as you think you are.
  - logfromblammo 7y ago
    But you are not one of those people, and you are not definitely saying that? So what exactly are you saying?

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