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Wow. I'm old enough to remember when it was just goa trance. And then towards the end of the 90's the kicks became more pronounced and the melodies were droppe

by weavie 7y ago

Wow. I'm old enough to remember when it was just goa trance. And then towards the end of the 90's the kicks became more pronounced and the melodies were dropped in favour of more psychedelic soundscapes. From that it seemed the genre split into daytime trance that was brighter and more uplifting and nighttime that was darker and more psychedelic. As a dj, people would grumble at you if you played daytime trance at night, or vice versa! Even then most psytrance was played at a more sane Bpm < 145. And then I think the Russians came in around 2006. Artists like Kindzadza pushed the Bpm up to 150+ and it all went crazy. It seems artists started to compete with eachother to write the craziest tracks, and rather than reaching for more psychedelia, they just made the track faster. I'm almost a bit sad to see that the guide lists Forest as 150+ bpm. It was much more psychedelic at 145 (imho). That was kind of when I dropped out of the scene, its quite crazy to look back and see how categorized it has become. Im going to have to have a browse.. For more, there is a ton of psytrance available to download for free on https://ektoplazm.com/ https://ektoplazm.com/.

Fnoord 7y ago
I find it painful to see my favourite all-time genre of music, goatrance, getting more and more obscure and snowed under the abundance of time and psytrance. I can relate to oldschool house, trance, and techno lovers alike. Consider the introduction in this article to goatrance, at the very bottom of the website after all kind of psytrance subgenres. Roland TB-303? Not mentioned. The archetype synthesizer of acid and goa trance. Acid? Not mentioned. A genre related and inspirational to goa trance. Same with trance, and techno. SH-101? Not mentioned. Frequently used synthesizer in trance, including goa. 4-4-4-4-1 bass-line? Not mentioned. Its the bass-line which is typically found in goa trance. Some tracks by Miranda even have a slightly different bass tone on every bass hit which creates a kind of 3D effect in the bass (it feels like salsa to me). Etnica? Not mentioned. Huge name (with sub projects like Crop Circles and Pleiadians) in the 90s. For me, a band like Juno Reactor is much more according to the psychedelic values than the conventional psytrance. Also, goa trance wasn't formed in Goa in the 80s. It was the very end of the 80s, but more the early 90s (91-93). It was normal to combine all kind of genres back then (trance, techno, house, etc). Consider, for example, the legendary Paul Oakenfold - Goa Mix from 1994. Or this very mix which combines different genres in one [1] (though it includes acid, not goa trance). [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkzvUEbf1DY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkzvUEbf1DY
- neilharbinger 7y ago
  You mentioned some of the artists from the Blueroom Released label where I cut my teeth with audio and video streaming with RealMedia. And learned that productive offices can be equipped with high-end loudspeakers. The web's come a long way since those days.
- emptyfile 7y ago
  You're like the fifth poster who assumes this is a history of psytrance guide, while its exactly the opposite: an overview of modern genres. Almost every track on it is less then 10 years old.
- bgeeek 7y ago
  Another Oaky fan here, he was great in the early '90s. Enjoyed Fluro, and some of his Global Underground mixes. Wish I still had a good copy of the original Goa Mix - I know there are variants of it on YouTube and Spotify.
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- stef25 7y ago
  Don't want to be "difficult" but the 303 isn't really the typical psy synth. Although it's used, psy trance required a bit more sophisticated equipment for chords and layering etc. The concept of "acid" appeared in Chicago. It's fascinating how goa trance came about. At first they were just strumming guitars out there and then came the drugs and the very early electronic music from labels like Harthouse and Eye Q ... those were the roots of this movement.
  - weavie 7y ago
    Early goa did have a lot of acid lines, although I dont think they strictly used 303s. I know Cosmosis used a Novation BassStation for all the lines on their Cosmology album. That album is full of acid (and thoroughly recommended, even 25 years on).
taneq 7y ago
> As a dj, people would grumble at you if you played daytime trance at night, or vice versa! I can understand that. The shift from raves to daytime 'festivals' basically killed the whole scene for me, the mood was all wrong (not to mention it was way too bright and often way too hot). I realise you can still find night raves but by the time the next one came around after a string of daytime events I'd lost interest. Still have a giant playlist of live sets as my coding music though. I'll check out your link. :)
- H1Supreme 7y ago
  Completely agree with you here. When I was college age back in the late 90's / early 00's, there was a pretty big rave scene in my area. They started around 9:00 pm, and went until the next morning. The vibe of those parties is completely absent from these middle of the day festivals. They're just...weird. A slammin' techno set at 3:00pm is so out of place.
  - nightkoder 7y ago
    I used to really enjoy playing really dirty psy in the middle of the day, but slowed right down - like -10%. I loved the effect personally, but I did get kicked off the decks quite often..
wickedsight 7y ago
I have a youtube channel, where in 12 years ago, I uploaded some Astral Projection songs, racking up over 300k views in total. This is the only reason my channel has 100+ followers. I considered deleting the videos, because of clear copyright violation, but I feel it's a bit of history that might get lost. Also, because of copyright claim, the producers are still getting ad revenue.
- kortex 7y ago
  Definitely keep it. I enjoy it when yt's autoplay random walks me onto older and more obscure music. While I've been listening to AP for years, this has happened with other groups. I'm gonna have to go listen to Trust in Trance now, such a classic.
bgeeek 7y ago
Oaky's Goa Mix (the original version, not the one used with all of the cleared material) was pretty much legendary stuff in the UK in the '90s and I do think he helped make trance fairly mainstream. The knock on effect was that when it went mainstream it got kind-of boring. Gatecrasher was also popular in the UK at the tail end of the '90s. I can remember psytrance breaking through, but it just didn't sound amazing after Goa, etc. Not sure if you remember the harsh joke about trance - there was one original trance record and everything else afterwards was just a rehash of it :) I thought the track in question was "Age of Love". I agree with it, but Donna Summer's I Feel Love predates it by a few decades and that is a pretty trance-y record.
stef25 7y ago
Total Eclipse, Infinity Project ... I think this was the first goatrance cd I bought mid 90s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KccBLlyOmE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KccBLlyOmE And then all the Distance to Goa compilations. And let's not forget this stomper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSrNMGvd9bY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSrNMGvd9bY
- bgeeek 7y ago
  Crikey, that reminds me of the '90s! Thanks :)
gandutraveler 7y ago
I got into Goa trance in my early teens growing up in Goa and hitting up beach shacks and Forest parties. Things have changed so much now. For one there is so much music being churned out everyday it's hard to keep up. And yes it's now a race to make crazy fast tracks that for me is almost unlistenable. I always end up going back to the classics.
sharadov 7y ago
Neuromotor - his tracks were all dark.

by weavie 7y ago

Fnoord 7y ago

I find it painful to see my favourite all-time genre of music, goatrance, getting more and more obscure and snowed under the abundance of time and psytrance. I can relate to oldschool house, trance, and techno lovers alike. Consider the introduction in this article to goatrance, at the very bottom of the website after all kind of psytrance subgenres. Roland TB-303? Not mentioned. The archetype synthesizer of acid and goa trance. Acid? Not mentioned. A genre related and inspirational to goa trance. Same with trance, and techno. SH-101? Not mentioned. Frequently used synthesizer in trance, including goa. 4-4-4-4-1 bass-line? Not mentioned. Its the bass-line which is typically found in goa trance. Some tracks by Miranda even have a slightly different bass tone on every bass hit which creates a kind of 3D effect in the bass (it feels like salsa to me). Etnica? Not mentioned. Huge name (with sub projects like Crop Circles and Pleiadians) in the 90s. For me, a band like Juno Reactor is much more according to the psychedelic values than the conventional psytrance. Also, goa trance wasn't formed in Goa in the 80s. It was the very end of the 80s, but more the early 90s (91-93). It was normal to combine all kind of genres back then (trance, techno, house, etc). Consider, for example, the legendary Paul Oakenfold - Goa Mix from 1994. Or this very mix which combines different genres in one [1] (though it includes acid, not goa trance). [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkzvUEbf1DY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkzvUEbf1DY

neilharbinger 7y ago
You mentioned some of the artists from the Blueroom Released label where I cut my teeth with audio and video streaming with RealMedia. And learned that productive offices can be equipped with high-end loudspeakers. The web's come a long way since those days.
emptyfile 7y ago
You're like the fifth poster who assumes this is a history of psytrance guide, while its exactly the opposite: an overview of modern genres. Almost every track on it is less then 10 years old.
bgeeek 7y ago
Another Oaky fan here, he was great in the early '90s. Enjoyed Fluro, and some of his Global Underground mixes. Wish I still had a good copy of the original Goa Mix - I know there are variants of it on YouTube and Spotify.
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stef25 7y ago
Don't want to be "difficult" but the 303 isn't really the typical psy synth. Although it's used, psy trance required a bit more sophisticated equipment for chords and layering etc. The concept of "acid" appeared in Chicago. It's fascinating how goa trance came about. At first they were just strumming guitars out there and then came the drugs and the very early electronic music from labels like Harthouse and Eye Q ... those were the roots of this movement.
- weavie 7y ago
  Early goa did have a lot of acid lines, although I dont think they strictly used 303s. I know Cosmosis used a Novation BassStation for all the lines on their Cosmology album. That album is full of acid (and thoroughly recommended, even 25 years on).

taneq 7y ago

> As a dj, people would grumble at you if you played daytime trance at night, or vice versa! I can understand that. The shift from raves to daytime 'festivals' basically killed the whole scene for me, the mood was all wrong (not to mention it was way too bright and often way too hot). I realise you can still find night raves but by the time the next one came around after a string of daytime events I'd lost interest. Still have a giant playlist of live sets as my coding music though. I'll check out your link. :)

H1Supreme 7y ago
Completely agree with you here. When I was college age back in the late 90's / early 00's, there was a pretty big rave scene in my area. They started around 9:00 pm, and went until the next morning. The vibe of those parties is completely absent from these middle of the day festivals. They're just...weird. A slammin' techno set at 3:00pm is so out of place.
- nightkoder 7y ago
  I used to really enjoy playing really dirty psy in the middle of the day, but slowed right down - like -10%. I loved the effect personally, but I did get kicked off the decks quite often..

wickedsight 7y ago

I have a youtube channel, where in 12 years ago, I uploaded some Astral Projection songs, racking up over 300k views in total. This is the only reason my channel has 100+ followers. I considered deleting the videos, because of clear copyright violation, but I feel it's a bit of history that might get lost. Also, because of copyright claim, the producers are still getting ad revenue.

kortex 7y ago
Definitely keep it. I enjoy it when yt's autoplay random walks me onto older and more obscure music. While I've been listening to AP for years, this has happened with other groups. I'm gonna have to go listen to Trust in Trance now, such a classic.

bgeeek 7y ago

Oaky's Goa Mix (the original version, not the one used with all of the cleared material) was pretty much legendary stuff in the UK in the '90s and I do think he helped make trance fairly mainstream. The knock on effect was that when it went mainstream it got kind-of boring. Gatecrasher was also popular in the UK at the tail end of the '90s. I can remember psytrance breaking through, but it just didn't sound amazing after Goa, etc. Not sure if you remember the harsh joke about trance - there was one original trance record and everything else afterwards was just a rehash of it :) I thought the track in question was "Age of Love". I agree with it, but Donna Summer's I Feel Love predates it by a few decades and that is a pretty trance-y record.

stef25 7y ago

Total Eclipse, Infinity Project ... I think this was the first goatrance cd I bought mid 90s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KccBLlyOmE https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KccBLlyOmE And then all the Distance to Goa compilations. And let's not forget this stomper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSrNMGvd9bY https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VSrNMGvd9bY

bgeeek 7y ago
Crikey, that reminds me of the '90s! Thanks :)

gandutraveler 7y ago

I got into Goa trance in my early teens growing up in Goa and hitting up beach shacks and Forest parties. Things have changed so much now. For one there is so much music being churned out everyday it's hard to keep up. And yes it's now a race to make crazy fast tracks that for me is almost unlistenable. I always end up going back to the classics.

sharadov 7y ago

Neuromotor - his tracks were all dark.