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What I saw in the video is violent protestors beating someone brutally. Could you please elaborate a bit how it comes to be disinformation? By the way, you’re

What I saw in the video is violent protestors beating someone brutally. Could you please elaborate a bit how it comes to be disinformation? By the way, you’re unlikely to convince anyone with personal attack.

faissaloo 7y ago
It is perfectly acceptable in war to brutalise the enemy. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.
- thankswell 7y ago
  1. define enemy and prove the victim is. 2. are you suggesting protesting is a war which “perfectly acceptable” to use any violence at will?
  - faissaloo 7y ago
    The state of China and its willing supporters are the enemy. It would be senseless to beat someone on your own side. Yes, protest is war if you're being attacked and invaded, the protestors have every right to slaughter their oppressors.
    - thankswell 7y ago
      Are you suggesting the victim is "oppressors" to the protestors? Or, are you suggesting anyone from "The state of China" should be tagged as "enemy"? How do you define "willing supporters"? Did the victim attack protestors? How comes slaughter a human being (even if an enemy) becomes natural right in a civilized society?
      - faissaloo 7y ago
        >Are you suggesting the victim is "oppressors" to the protestors? Or, are you suggesting anyone from "The state of China" should be tagged as "enemy"? Anyone from China who given the chance does not surrender is fair game. >How comes slaughter a human being (even if an enemy) becomes natural right in a civilized society? If a party you have no prior social contract with endevours to threaten your existence you have every right to threaten theirs. Such people are undeserving of civility.
        thankswell 7y ago
        > Anyone from China who given the chance does not surrender is fair game. Given what chance? from whom? Surrender to whom? It seems there's some authority that ppl have to comply with, and they should be "slaughtered" if not? This doesn't sound like democracy at all. > If a party you have no prior social contract with endevours to threaten your existence you have every right to threaten theirs. Such people are undeserving of civility. Who is threatening your existence? Is the victim in the video threatening anyone?
        faissaloo 7y ago
        >This doesn't sound like democracy at all. I don't care for democracy. >Who is threatening your existence? No one atm, I just think China should be wiped off the map and its leaders executed in public.
        thankswell 7y ago
        > I don't care for democracy. Nothing to say about this :-) Just FYI I care democracy & so do HK ppl. > No one atm, I just think China should be wiped off the map and its leaders executed in public. The last person I knew who tried to wipe several countries off the map and execute its ppl is a poor German. Though he did write a book to defend his idea which is "persuasive" somehow. I'd suggest you start from there.
        faissaloo 7y ago
        >Just FYI I care democracy And yet somehow that feels untrue.
        thankswell 7y ago
        It doesn't matter at all as long as the democracy I care about is not about killing ppl at will.
        7y ago
wtdata 7y ago
What's up with all these newly created accounts defending China's autocratic government?
- minwell 7y ago
  Sorry, I thought in HN everyone has equal right to discuss on facts regardless his/her account is created today or ... 5 months ago.
  - wtdata 7y ago
    Oh, they normally are, it's just that it's suspicious, that so many of them are being created with the single purpose of participating in a thread, that talks no less than about China's disinformation machine.
    - thankswell 7y ago
      As long as we want to eliminate "disinformation", it's good that different opinions from different perspectives occur in this thread. To be honest, if a thread about a global political affair has only one sound, it's disinformation to me as well. Ppl could believe in sth in common and share common value, that's why we have right to protest if the value is under compromise; but ppl could also have different opinion and every right to express the opinion, that's why we have HN.
      - wtdata 7y ago
        Sure it is, but, it is really, really funny you have to create so many new accounts to do it, and all of them defending exactly China. I.e. the autocratic government under the suspicion of using its disinformation machine to manipulate us.
        dang 7y ago
        Please don't break the site guidelines by posting insinuations of astroturfing, shilling, spying, or other abuse on HN. If you think you're seeing abuse, the guidelines ask you to email hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it. I've posted a zillion explanations of this if you (or anyone) want more explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...

faissaloo 7y ago

It is perfectly acceptable in war to brutalise the enemy. I'm not sure what you're trying to say.

thankswell 7y ago
1. define enemy and prove the victim is. 2. are you suggesting protesting is a war which “perfectly acceptable” to use any violence at will?
- faissaloo 7y ago
  The state of China and its willing supporters are the enemy. It would be senseless to beat someone on your own side. Yes, protest is war if you're being attacked and invaded, the protestors have every right to slaughter their oppressors.
  - thankswell 7y ago
    Are you suggesting the victim is "oppressors" to the protestors? Or, are you suggesting anyone from "The state of China" should be tagged as "enemy"? How do you define "willing supporters"? Did the victim attack protestors? How comes slaughter a human being (even if an enemy) becomes natural right in a civilized society?
    - faissaloo 7y ago
      >Are you suggesting the victim is "oppressors" to the protestors? Or, are you suggesting anyone from "The state of China" should be tagged as "enemy"? Anyone from China who given the chance does not surrender is fair game. >How comes slaughter a human being (even if an enemy) becomes natural right in a civilized society? If a party you have no prior social contract with endevours to threaten your existence you have every right to threaten theirs. Such people are undeserving of civility.
      - thankswell 7y ago
        > Anyone from China who given the chance does not surrender is fair game. Given what chance? from whom? Surrender to whom? It seems there's some authority that ppl have to comply with, and they should be "slaughtered" if not? This doesn't sound like democracy at all. > If a party you have no prior social contract with endevours to threaten your existence you have every right to threaten theirs. Such people are undeserving of civility. Who is threatening your existence? Is the victim in the video threatening anyone?
        faissaloo 7y ago
        >This doesn't sound like democracy at all. I don't care for democracy. >Who is threatening your existence? No one atm, I just think China should be wiped off the map and its leaders executed in public.
        thankswell 7y ago
        > I don't care for democracy. Nothing to say about this :-) Just FYI I care democracy & so do HK ppl. > No one atm, I just think China should be wiped off the map and its leaders executed in public. The last person I knew who tried to wipe several countries off the map and execute its ppl is a poor German. Though he did write a book to defend his idea which is "persuasive" somehow. I'd suggest you start from there.
        faissaloo 7y ago
        >Just FYI I care democracy And yet somehow that feels untrue.
        thankswell 7y ago
        It doesn't matter at all as long as the democracy I care about is not about killing ppl at will.
        7y ago

wtdata 7y ago

What's up with all these newly created accounts defending China's autocratic government?

minwell 7y ago
Sorry, I thought in HN everyone has equal right to discuss on facts regardless his/her account is created today or ... 5 months ago.
- wtdata 7y ago
  Oh, they normally are, it's just that it's suspicious, that so many of them are being created with the single purpose of participating in a thread, that talks no less than about China's disinformation machine.
  - thankswell 7y ago
    As long as we want to eliminate "disinformation", it's good that different opinions from different perspectives occur in this thread. To be honest, if a thread about a global political affair has only one sound, it's disinformation to me as well. Ppl could believe in sth in common and share common value, that's why we have right to protest if the value is under compromise; but ppl could also have different opinion and every right to express the opinion, that's why we have HN.
    - wtdata 7y ago
      Sure it is, but, it is really, really funny you have to create so many new accounts to do it, and all of them defending exactly China. I.e. the autocratic government under the suspicion of using its disinformation machine to manipulate us.
      - dang 7y ago
        Please don't break the site guidelines by posting insinuations of astroturfing, shilling, spying, or other abuse on HN. If you think you're seeing abuse, the guidelines ask you to email hn@ycombinator.com so we can look into it. I've posted a zillion explanations of this if you (or anyone) want more explanation: https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comment&storyText=false&prefix=true&page=0&query=by:dang%20astroturf https://hn.algolia.com/?sort=byDate&dateRange=all&type=comme...