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Carrie Lam's resignation, plus: The complete withdrawal of the proposed extradition bill The government to withdraw the use of the word “riot” in relation to

Carrie Lam's resignation, plus: The complete withdrawal of the proposed extradition bill The government to withdraw the use of the word “riot” in relation to protests The unconditional release of arrested protesters and charges against them dropped An independent inquiry into police behaviour Implementation of genuine universal suffrage Source: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/13/what-do-the-hong-kong-protesters-want https://www.theguardian.com/world/2019/aug/13/what-do-the-ho...

baby 7y ago
They want the word "riot" to be dismissed because it allows the gov to put protesters in jail for up to 10 years
justicezyx 7y ago
> The complete withdrawal of the proposed extradition bill Reasonable. > The government to withdraw the use of the word “riot” in relation to protests Unfortunately, not reasonable. OK, now it's no longer factual to say that it's not a "riot". I do not defend either side, but let's be sure to use the word correctly. > The unconditional release of arrested protesters and charges against them dropped Sorry, not reasonable. What about the protester who is claimed to bite off a police's finger: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3018831/hong-kong-protester-appears-court-accused-biting https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/30... > An independent inquiry into police behaviour Reasonable. But there will be an independent inquiry being requested on the protesters as well. I am not suggesting that, I am just saying obviously Chines government is going to demand that as well. > Implementation of genuine universal suffrage Moderately reasonable. You are asking a country to adopt a different political system in a prominent area. But if you want to retrieve the skin of a lion by asking politely, or assume you only suffer minor scratch, you'd better prepare to get killed.
- NeedMoreTea 7y ago
  Universal suffrage in the election of the Chief Executive was definitely, and I think - though I'm not certain - of the legislative council was in the handover agreement. The Sino British agreement China was happy to sign and see lodged with the UN as binding international agreement. The one China says doesn't matter any more.
- greycol 7y ago
  >>The government to withdraw the use of the word “riot” in relation to protests >Unfortunately, not reasonable. It's completely reasonable the word riot carries legal implications that should not apply here. It doesn't matter what the common definition of the noun is it matters how the government uses that word. It's the equivalent of a vegan saying "Meat is Murder" pointing out the technical definitions of the words then expecting all meat eaters to get arrested for at least conspiracy to commit murder. Not to cast false aspersions but I bet you can't even look at the image in the link below and write the same sentence about the other leader in this photo without fearing for your future. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855 Sentence: Obama is Tigger. Now you write the full sentence : Xi Jinping is ____

baby 7y ago

They want the word "riot" to be dismissed because it allows the gov to put protesters in jail for up to 10 years

justicezyx 7y ago

> The complete withdrawal of the proposed extradition bill Reasonable. > The government to withdraw the use of the word “riot” in relation to protests Unfortunately, not reasonable. OK, now it's no longer factual to say that it's not a "riot". I do not defend either side, but let's be sure to use the word correctly. > The unconditional release of arrested protesters and charges against them dropped Sorry, not reasonable. What about the protester who is claimed to bite off a police's finger: https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/3018831/hong-kong-protester-appears-court-accused-biting https://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/law-and-crime/article/30... > An independent inquiry into police behaviour Reasonable. But there will be an independent inquiry being requested on the protesters as well. I am not suggesting that, I am just saying obviously Chines government is going to demand that as well. > Implementation of genuine universal suffrage Moderately reasonable. You are asking a country to adopt a different political system in a prominent area. But if you want to retrieve the skin of a lion by asking politely, or assume you only suffer minor scratch, you'd better prepare to get killed.

NeedMoreTea 7y ago
Universal suffrage in the election of the Chief Executive was definitely, and I think - though I'm not certain - of the legislative council was in the handover agreement. The Sino British agreement China was happy to sign and see lodged with the UN as binding international agreement. The one China says doesn't matter any more.
greycol 7y ago
>>The government to withdraw the use of the word “riot” in relation to protests >Unfortunately, not reasonable. It's completely reasonable the word riot carries legal implications that should not apply here. It doesn't matter what the common definition of the noun is it matters how the government uses that word. It's the equivalent of a vegan saying "Meat is Murder" pointing out the technical definitions of the words then expecting all meat eaters to get arrested for at least conspiracy to commit murder. Not to cast false aspersions but I bet you can't even look at the image in the link below and write the same sentence about the other leader in this photo without fearing for your future. https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855 https://www.bbc.com/news/blogs-china-blog-40627855 Sentence: Obama is Tigger. Now you write the full sentence : Xi Jinping is ____