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> "There's serious consequences for those violations. Discipline. Suspensions. Civil penalties" Too bad there will be no consequences to folks who took the guy

by m0zg 7y ago

> "There's serious consequences for those violations. Discipline. Suspensions. Civil penalties" Too bad there will be no consequences to folks who took the guy who _attempted suicide_ once already off the suicide watch, turned off the cameras, and left him alone for an hour. Nor for the mainstream press who will memory hole this story by Friday.

techntoke 7y ago
Sometimes I wish America could be more like Hong Kong.
- m0zg 7y ago
  Sometimes I wish America could be more like America, the idealized version. HK has plenty of corruption of its own. Chances of survival for someone like Epstein are markedly lower there.
  - techntoke 7y ago
    I meant just in terms of protesting.
    - m0zg 7y ago
      I can't recall a recent (within my lifetime, actually) case when protesting (here or anywhere else) has accomplished much.
      - reitanqild 7y ago
        The HK protests quickly succeeded to stop the proposed law.
        m0zg 7y ago
        It's too early to say if they "succeeded to stop" anything. Could be that they just postponed it.
mwfunk 7y ago
It remains to be seen. What you described is exactly what happened though, that's just truth. Whether someone murdered him, or he was conveniently allowed to commit suicide, it's just as bad, and just as much a sign of corruption in the government. I keep seeing people argue that if it turns out that he really did just commit suicide, then the conspiracy theories about murders must not be true. But that's completely false. Epstein simply being able to commit suicide is every bit as much of a sign of corruption and criminality within the government, as someone sneaking into his cell and murdering him.
chillwaves 7y ago
Shout out to you: "TrUmP DeFeAted IsIS" well the pentagon says otherwise. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/08/06/report-isis-has-been-rebuilding-as-us-troops-withdraw-from-syria/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/08/06/...

by m0zg 7y ago

techntoke 7y ago

Sometimes I wish America could be more like Hong Kong.

m0zg 7y ago
Sometimes I wish America could be more like America, the idealized version. HK has plenty of corruption of its own. Chances of survival for someone like Epstein are markedly lower there.
- techntoke 7y ago
  I meant just in terms of protesting.
  - m0zg 7y ago
    I can't recall a recent (within my lifetime, actually) case when protesting (here or anywhere else) has accomplished much.
    - reitanqild 7y ago
      The HK protests quickly succeeded to stop the proposed law.
      - m0zg 7y ago
        It's too early to say if they "succeeded to stop" anything. Could be that they just postponed it.

mwfunk 7y ago

It remains to be seen. What you described is exactly what happened though, that's just truth. Whether someone murdered him, or he was conveniently allowed to commit suicide, it's just as bad, and just as much a sign of corruption in the government. I keep seeing people argue that if it turns out that he really did just commit suicide, then the conspiracy theories about murders must not be true. But that's completely false. Epstein simply being able to commit suicide is every bit as much of a sign of corruption and criminality within the government, as someone sneaking into his cell and murdering him.

chillwaves 7y ago

Shout out to you: "TrUmP DeFeAted IsIS" well the pentagon says otherwise. https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/08/06/report-isis-has-been-rebuilding-as-us-troops-withdraw-from-syria/ https://www.militarytimes.com/news/your-military/2019/08/06/...