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>false societal pressure that men cannot show weakness I believe this is a well-intended-but-misguided idea. Societal pressure for some trait can exist even wh
by everdrive 7y ago
>false societal pressure that men cannot show weakness
I believe this is a well-intended-but-misguided idea. Societal pressure for some trait can exist even when the trait is inherent. ie, there is societal pressure for friendship, fairness, and altruism. At least constrained to an in-group, (or previously, a kin-group) these traits are inherent human traits: they're not constructed by society. These inherent traits are enforced by society: we build rules, norms, and expectations around them, and we find ways to punish people who don't don't sufficiently uphold these values. By this definition there are societal constructs around altruism (eg, by what specific mechanisms is it upheld and expressed) which will vary by society, but the trait itself is near universal. I believe the same is true for male vulnerability: it's a universal trait, but because some people have managed to note and describe the local, societal mechanisms for expression of this trait, they have falsely concluded that the trait in its entirety is a social construction.
If you're a 12 year old boy, and you skin your knee and cry like a child, the adults around you (men and women) will look at you with disgust. Society didn't teach them this: it's as automatic as scrunching your face when you see dog feces on the ground. It's inherently disgusting. People are not generally built to respect or like weak men. Teaching young men to be vulnerable and emotional sets them up for failure, and weakens their position.
- SolaceQuantum 7y agoA 12 year old boy crying because he's injured doesn't strike me as inherently disgusting at all. 12 year olds are children that don't have the full capacity to make reasoned decisions around the society around them. If they force themselves not to cry it's because someone enforced the notion that they shouldn't respond to pain. "Teaching young men to be vulnerable and emotional sets them up for failure, and weakens their position." No, this is not what is being argued. What is being argued is that men are already vulnerable and emotional and then repressing this causes psychological damage, and teaching men to repress this also causes them psychological damage.