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"dilemma"? - give me a break! As if this is some kind of crisis nobody saw coming. This is a homemade problem, a dictator facing the results of dictatorship. It

"dilemma"? - give me a break! As if this is some kind of crisis nobody saw coming. This is a homemade problem, a dictator facing the results of dictatorship. It's sad the world isn't much louder in its support for Hong Kong.

pimmen 7y ago
Yeah, it’s a very poor choice of words. It’s like saying that if I steal a TV and see the cops chase me I have faced a dilemma of keeping the TV but getting caught or dropping the TV to run faster. Suppress the rights of educated people who value freedom of the press and independent judicial systems and ... what do you expect?
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ksdale 7y ago
This is a complicated situation and I don't claim to have all the answers so I'm just offering a perspective here, but it's not at all clear that the world should loudly support Hong Kong. If the world loudly supports Hong Kong, and China sends in the military, will the rest of the world defend Hong Kong? Would that be a good outcome? If the rest of the world stays relatively quiet, it plausibly allows China to let the protesters win without creating the appearance of being cowed by the threat of violence from the rest of the world. I agree completely that it's a homemade problem and I have no sympathy for the Chinese government, but that doesn't mean it isn't still very complicated from an international perspective. Of course, the right answer is that China just give the protesters what they want, but what's right and what's going to happen don't always overlap and it's not particularly helpful to end the analysis so quickly.
- uranusjr 7y ago
  I’m sorry to see you downvoted. Maybe the problem is you use “rest of the world” when you really mean other national governments? It is easy for people to loudly voice support, but the perspective you raised is quite valid for governments to consider. Which is why most government leaders (except e.g. the UK) do stay silent on this very topic.
  - ksdale 7y ago
    That’s an excellent point, thank you. I hadn’t considered that, obviously.
sgjohnson 7y ago
>It's sad the world isn't much louder in its support for Hong Kong. If I could run guns to HK, I would.
- Balgair 7y ago
  Ching Shih would be proud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih
echaozh 7y ago
You can burn your house and blame the dictator, but at the end of the day, you burnt your own house. And the dictator's palace is thousands of miles away. I also see no dilemma, at least not for the "dictator". If the riot doesn't extend to Beijing, and the chance it does is basically 0, the "dictator" is having no trouble at all. HK may rot, but it rots by its own choice.

pimmen 7y ago

Yeah, it’s a very poor choice of words. It’s like saying that if I steal a TV and see the cops chase me I have faced a dilemma of keeping the TV but getting caught or dropping the TV to run faster. Suppress the rights of educated people who value freedom of the press and independent judicial systems and ... what do you expect?

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ksdale 7y ago

This is a complicated situation and I don't claim to have all the answers so I'm just offering a perspective here, but it's not at all clear that the world should loudly support Hong Kong. If the world loudly supports Hong Kong, and China sends in the military, will the rest of the world defend Hong Kong? Would that be a good outcome? If the rest of the world stays relatively quiet, it plausibly allows China to let the protesters win without creating the appearance of being cowed by the threat of violence from the rest of the world. I agree completely that it's a homemade problem and I have no sympathy for the Chinese government, but that doesn't mean it isn't still very complicated from an international perspective. Of course, the right answer is that China just give the protesters what they want, but what's right and what's going to happen don't always overlap and it's not particularly helpful to end the analysis so quickly.

uranusjr 7y ago
I’m sorry to see you downvoted. Maybe the problem is you use “rest of the world” when you really mean other national governments? It is easy for people to loudly voice support, but the perspective you raised is quite valid for governments to consider. Which is why most government leaders (except e.g. the UK) do stay silent on this very topic.
- ksdale 7y ago
  That’s an excellent point, thank you. I hadn’t considered that, obviously.

sgjohnson 7y ago

>It's sad the world isn't much louder in its support for Hong Kong. If I could run guns to HK, I would.

Balgair 7y ago
Ching Shih would be proud https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ching_Shih

echaozh 7y ago

You can burn your house and blame the dictator, but at the end of the day, you burnt your own house. And the dictator's palace is thousands of miles away. I also see no dilemma, at least not for the "dictator". If the riot doesn't extend to Beijing, and the chance it does is basically 0, the "dictator" is having no trouble at all. HK may rot, but it rots by its own choice.