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You're projecting a lot of things onto what I'm saying. I never claimed hunter-gatherer was for everyone. Getting back to nature is. That's science. Privilege

You're projecting a lot of things onto what I'm saying. I never claimed hunter-gatherer was for everyone. Getting back to nature is. That's science. Privilege is there to be shared. This includes privileged wisdom. Indigenous cultures are dying out due to settlers and colonizers decimating their lands, cultures, and people. This is not news. It has nothing to do with their way of life, aside from not having developed appropriate weapons and immune systems from those who would seek to kill/displace them. As for the global food problem, I personally hypothesize capitalism needs to fall or radically transform before that can be addressed. Learning to peacefully and freely share food seems like the simplest way to address current food issues, but people's desire for money seems to get in the way.

JoeAltmaier 7y ago
And I repeat, 'getting back to nature' is a pipe dream for most people, living on a cement street in an apartment 25 stories up. Which is over half of everybody already, and growing.
- crawfordcomeaux 7y ago
  No, it's simply a collectively difficult thing to accomplish on our current path. Your take is simply a disempowering reason to stay stuck. We can always reconnect with nature in various ways. Your perspective is self-limiting and keeps you from realizing ways to accomplish it. Other people are probably figuring out how to do it and you haven't even bothered to find out how. Here's the first link I found from googling "how to reconnect with nature while living in a city." These are decent approaches and I would say are barely scratching the surface. https://permaculturenews.org/2017/02/20/can-connect-nature-cities/ https://permaculturenews.org/2017/02/20/can-connect-nature-c...
  - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
    Ok, I read that (sort of). Ignoring the nonsense about 'healing frequencies', the rest seems to be middle-class advice about taking time, becoming an urban beekeeper, visits to the zoo and other time- and money-consuming hobbies that work for first-world educated people. Not a two-job parent in a too-small apartment.
    - crawfordcomeaux 7y ago
      Go outside. Find a tree. Sit under and observe it. How does it change over time? Consider where everything nourishing it is coming from. Don't have a tree available? Imagine one and start there. If you want to reconnect with nature, you can. You sound like you don't want to believe it's possible, but even the smallest amount of effort can make a load of difference. Have you done any googling to challenge your belief? Have you sought out free ways to reconnect with nature?
      - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
        I live on 80 acres of treed land with wildlife. I have a kitchen garden that feeds me. I'm doing fine thank you. But I'm hyper-aware of how my situation is utterly different from billions of humans on this planet, with little or no access to even a tree. Or opportunity to sit under it. Living in high-rise apartment blocks far, far from these imagined opportunities. The world out there is more like blade runner, than a utopia, for the vast majority of people.
        crawfordcomeaux 7y ago
        And, yet, it's still possible. Your stance denies the existence of people figuring out how to do it and people's ability to reconnect. I know they're out there because I've met some. It's that simple. Your perspective is hyperbolic and disempowering, so it can't possibly be true (unless someone chooses to believe it, in which case, they're disempowering themselves). I'll continue to tell people everywhere that it's possible to reconnect with nature, even if they live in the void of space. The mind is a powerful tool and if people believe they can use it to reconnect, they're much more likely to find a way to. When it comes to subjective experiences, it's important to engage cognitive biases in the direction we want them to go. Beliefs are useful for that, so we need to choose them wisely. Telling people they're not capable of accomplishing things is only helpful if they're rebelling against you because then they'll take it as a challenge. For others who are already in a disempowered state, they could use your message as reinforcing their stuck perspective. I choose to view life in such a way as to promote change and well-being, not get me or anyone else who hears my perspective stuck in it.

JoeAltmaier 7y ago

And I repeat, 'getting back to nature' is a pipe dream for most people, living on a cement street in an apartment 25 stories up. Which is over half of everybody already, and growing.

crawfordcomeaux 7y ago
No, it's simply a collectively difficult thing to accomplish on our current path. Your take is simply a disempowering reason to stay stuck. We can always reconnect with nature in various ways. Your perspective is self-limiting and keeps you from realizing ways to accomplish it. Other people are probably figuring out how to do it and you haven't even bothered to find out how. Here's the first link I found from googling "how to reconnect with nature while living in a city." These are decent approaches and I would say are barely scratching the surface. https://permaculturenews.org/2017/02/20/can-connect-nature-cities/ https://permaculturenews.org/2017/02/20/can-connect-nature-c...
- JoeAltmaier 7y ago
  Ok, I read that (sort of). Ignoring the nonsense about 'healing frequencies', the rest seems to be middle-class advice about taking time, becoming an urban beekeeper, visits to the zoo and other time- and money-consuming hobbies that work for first-world educated people. Not a two-job parent in a too-small apartment.
  - crawfordcomeaux 7y ago
    Go outside. Find a tree. Sit under and observe it. How does it change over time? Consider where everything nourishing it is coming from. Don't have a tree available? Imagine one and start there. If you want to reconnect with nature, you can. You sound like you don't want to believe it's possible, but even the smallest amount of effort can make a load of difference. Have you done any googling to challenge your belief? Have you sought out free ways to reconnect with nature?
    - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
      I live on 80 acres of treed land with wildlife. I have a kitchen garden that feeds me. I'm doing fine thank you. But I'm hyper-aware of how my situation is utterly different from billions of humans on this planet, with little or no access to even a tree. Or opportunity to sit under it. Living in high-rise apartment blocks far, far from these imagined opportunities. The world out there is more like blade runner, than a utopia, for the vast majority of people.
      - crawfordcomeaux 7y ago
        And, yet, it's still possible. Your stance denies the existence of people figuring out how to do it and people's ability to reconnect. I know they're out there because I've met some. It's that simple. Your perspective is hyperbolic and disempowering, so it can't possibly be true (unless someone chooses to believe it, in which case, they're disempowering themselves). I'll continue to tell people everywhere that it's possible to reconnect with nature, even if they live in the void of space. The mind is a powerful tool and if people believe they can use it to reconnect, they're much more likely to find a way to. When it comes to subjective experiences, it's important to engage cognitive biases in the direction we want them to go. Beliefs are useful for that, so we need to choose them wisely. Telling people they're not capable of accomplishing things is only helpful if they're rebelling against you because then they'll take it as a challenge. For others who are already in a disempowered state, they could use your message as reinforcing their stuck perspective. I choose to view life in such a way as to promote change and well-being, not get me or anyone else who hears my perspective stuck in it.