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Very odd that a judge, working on behalf of the United States legal system, would create a new punishment specifically in response to a citizen calling police o

Very odd that a judge, working on behalf of the United States legal system, would create a new punishment specifically in response to a citizen calling police officers "pigs", which is not illegal in the United States.

JoeAltmaier 7y ago
Meant as a derogatory slur, its ok? I can shout at the Mexican-Americans down at Big Box store now without repercussion? Disturbing the peace at the very least. Public nuisance.
- ryanmonroe 7y ago
  https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/482/451.html https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/482/451.html
  - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
    Largely unrelated? In that case, the bystander was trying to distract the officer. In the one above, it was the offender that was recalcitrant.
- papln 7y ago
  Racial heritage is a protected class. The people who lord over me with a monopoly on legal violence had better not be.
  - JoeAltmaier 7y ago
    Public nuisance is a thing, no matter why its being done or who its done to. Not illegal because of the target; illegal because its a deliberately public-disturbing outburst. Like crapping on the street - never mind who you were trying to send a message to, its just not to be done.
    - papln 7y ago
      HN is global, but many of are happy to live in the (relative) freedom of the USA, not Singapore or Communist CCP China. https://reason.com/2019/01/04/co-man-wins-175k-for-police-sign/ https://reason.com/2019/01/04/co-man-wins-175k-for-police-si... > In July 2016, Joshua Condiotti-Wade of Colorado participated in a public protest with signs that said "Fuck Bad Cops" and "Blue Lives Murder." Commerce City police officer Chris Dickey approached him, accusing him of trespassing and disorderly conduct. [...] > Condiotti-Wade has now received $175,000 in compensation from the city." https://qz.com/890689/what-us-protestors-can-and-cannot-do-according-to-the-aclu/ https://qz.com/890689/what-us-protestors-can-and-cannot-do-a...
    - sterkekoffie 7y ago
      Unless you're saying I could be arrested for standing on the street and yelling "cow" a single time, I don't think you agree with yourself.
      - humanrebar 7y ago
        If you're blocking a funeral procession at the time, I could understand an arrest and misdemeanor charges. If nobody is there, nothing is being disturbed.
  - mcguire 7y ago
    Try not to commit a crime while you are exercising your rights.
- deleted 7y ago
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filoleg 7y ago
I think the reason he is getting a punishment in the first place is the traffic violation. Yelling "pigs" was just a cherry on top that helped when it came to coming up with his "unusual punishment" for this scenario. Even though the act of shouting it in itself wasn't illegal, it was still not nice and disrespectful given the circumstances, hence why it was incorporated into the punishment. I am struggling to think of a nice "unusual punishment" in this traffic violation scenario that wouldn't incorporate the yelling part, but I guess I am not as creative as this judge.

JoeAltmaier 7y ago

Meant as a derogatory slur, its ok? I can shout at the Mexican-Americans down at Big Box store now without repercussion? Disturbing the peace at the very least. Public nuisance.

ryanmonroe 7y ago
https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/482/451.html https://caselaw.findlaw.com/us-supreme-court/482/451.html
- JoeAltmaier 7y ago
  Largely unrelated? In that case, the bystander was trying to distract the officer. In the one above, it was the offender that was recalcitrant.
papln 7y ago
Racial heritage is a protected class. The people who lord over me with a monopoly on legal violence had better not be.
- JoeAltmaier 7y ago
  Public nuisance is a thing, no matter why its being done or who its done to. Not illegal because of the target; illegal because its a deliberately public-disturbing outburst. Like crapping on the street - never mind who you were trying to send a message to, its just not to be done.
  - papln 7y ago
    HN is global, but many of are happy to live in the (relative) freedom of the USA, not Singapore or Communist CCP China. https://reason.com/2019/01/04/co-man-wins-175k-for-police-sign/ https://reason.com/2019/01/04/co-man-wins-175k-for-police-si... > In July 2016, Joshua Condiotti-Wade of Colorado participated in a public protest with signs that said "Fuck Bad Cops" and "Blue Lives Murder." Commerce City police officer Chris Dickey approached him, accusing him of trespassing and disorderly conduct. [...] > Condiotti-Wade has now received $175,000 in compensation from the city." https://qz.com/890689/what-us-protestors-can-and-cannot-do-according-to-the-aclu/ https://qz.com/890689/what-us-protestors-can-and-cannot-do-a...
  - sterkekoffie 7y ago
    Unless you're saying I could be arrested for standing on the street and yelling "cow" a single time, I don't think you agree with yourself.
    - humanrebar 7y ago
      If you're blocking a funeral procession at the time, I could understand an arrest and misdemeanor charges. If nobody is there, nothing is being disturbed.
- mcguire 7y ago
  Try not to commit a crime while you are exercising your rights.
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filoleg 7y ago

I think the reason he is getting a punishment in the first place is the traffic violation. Yelling "pigs" was just a cherry on top that helped when it came to coming up with his "unusual punishment" for this scenario. Even though the act of shouting it in itself wasn't illegal, it was still not nice and disrespectful given the circumstances, hence why it was incorporated into the punishment. I am struggling to think of a nice "unusual punishment" in this traffic violation scenario that wouldn't incorporate the yelling part, but I guess I am not as creative as this judge.