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> Google doesn't even pay well enough to treat people poorly. [...] Meanwhile a smaller tech startup will pay better [...] maybe even not work you 80+hours a we

> Google doesn't even pay well enough to treat people poorly. [...] Meanwhile a smaller tech startup will pay better [...] maybe even not work you 80+hours a week Having worked both at Google and at smaller tech startups, this is pretty much the opposite of reality. I wonder where are you getting these ideas from.

chadlavi 7y ago
Is google just particularly dogged about salary negotiations, then? The numbers I've seen for someone new to the org don't impress me relative to the competitive baseline. Maybe you have to ask way higher, or you have to come in at a high level already?
- sidibe 7y ago
  Where do you see significantly better salaries? You might be ignoring the stock compensation which is basically like cash for an established stable company like Google
  - andreilys 7y ago
    This is actually a common complaint on Blind (anonymous social networking site). Google seems to consistently low ball relative to other companies (Facebook, Apple, uber, etc.) Obviously depends on the team/role but seems like google is trying to leverage its “prestigious brand” to pay less
    - chadlavi 7y ago
      exactly this.
ummonk 7y ago
He's right that Google doesn't generally pay competitively, but wrong in comparing to smaller startups. It's some of the larger companies (Facebook, LinkedIn, AirBnB, etc.) that Google tends to fall short of.
- ggambetta 7y ago
  Interesting, I don't have that impression. levels.fyi doesn't show much disparity, for example. Where do you get this from?
  - ummonk 7y ago
    They have a tendency to down-level a lot, which won't show up on levels.fyi (though if you look at the leveling by years of experience it might be extractable). Also, from what I understand they tend to lowball much more aggressively than other top companies if you don't have any strong competing offers. Levels.fyi submitters will of course be the kinds of people who tend to shop around and get competing offers.

chadlavi 7y ago

Is google just particularly dogged about salary negotiations, then? The numbers I've seen for someone new to the org don't impress me relative to the competitive baseline. Maybe you have to ask way higher, or you have to come in at a high level already?

sidibe 7y ago
Where do you see significantly better salaries? You might be ignoring the stock compensation which is basically like cash for an established stable company like Google
- andreilys 7y ago
  This is actually a common complaint on Blind (anonymous social networking site). Google seems to consistently low ball relative to other companies (Facebook, Apple, uber, etc.) Obviously depends on the team/role but seems like google is trying to leverage its “prestigious brand” to pay less
  - chadlavi 7y ago
    exactly this.

ummonk 7y ago

He's right that Google doesn't generally pay competitively, but wrong in comparing to smaller startups. It's some of the larger companies (Facebook, LinkedIn, AirBnB, etc.) that Google tends to fall short of.

ggambetta 7y ago
Interesting, I don't have that impression. levels.fyi doesn't show much disparity, for example. Where do you get this from?
- ummonk 7y ago
  They have a tendency to down-level a lot, which won't show up on levels.fyi (though if you look at the leveling by years of experience it might be extractable). Also, from what I understand they tend to lowball much more aggressively than other top companies if you don't have any strong competing offers. Levels.fyi submitters will of course be the kinds of people who tend to shop around and get competing offers.